California guns
Would somebody explain to me why so many people do not want to buy or sell guns in the state of California? I was looking at a gun I was interested in but it is with a dealer in California.
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You have to set up an account and get an ID number to be able to ship into their State, and you have to be an FFL. Most don't want to take the time to do it. Doesn't sound like it's all that difficult though. Kinda like some people won't accept a C&R even if the gun is eligible. They just don't want to take the time to look into it. 0 -
Shipping guns out of the state is no issue. Shipping guns into the state is a little more involved...if you are a dealer. If you are making a dealer to dealer transaction. Unlicensed individuals or a C&R FFL holder need to do nothing. If you hold a dealer FFL you must obtain a transaction number from the CA DOJ. If you do a lot of business in CA you can set up an account with the CA DOJ, which takes about three minutes. If you don't want to set up an account, you can obtain a one-time transaction number, but you must do that each time. Remember, this only applies to transactions between dealers. C&R holders are not involved.
Although this is an extra step, it is hardly the burden that some claim. I've noticed a few dealers actually charging a $25 fee to ship to CA. Unless they run for elected office, that is probably the easiest money they will ever make.0 -
https://cflc.doj.ca.gov/
Yep.....easy, peasy, lemon squeezy.
Selling to California is VERY easy. Lots of buyers, no reason not to do it. Cutting out that many buyers is not smart business, supporting the people trying to keep guns from California gun buyers is not smart politics.
I don't know why a California seller wouldn't want to sell to people outside that state unless he just wants to sell locally.0 -
It may be easy for the sellers but not for the inmates in the DPRK. The dealers who do the transfers here take the attitude that we are stealing the bread from their children's mouths when we buy from out of state & charge us accordingly. The cheapest transfer dealer I have found wants SEVENTY-FIVE Dollars.
I was getting used to the double posts & having to delete one but this time it was TRIPLE.0 -
It's easy to ship to California just make sure "you" can pick it up. 0 -
SHEESH, NOT THIS CHIT AGAIN....
Because California gun owners sat on the dead butts and did nothing while the Liberals took away half their gun rights, and made it more difficult for sellers to ship to California...
You pooped your own pants, now live in them or change them0 -
SHEESH, NOT ANOTHER IGNORANT POST AGAIN....
Rem, why don't you tell us all how little you know what Calif gun owners do? It should be real short.
While you're at it, post it over on CalGuns, there's 300,000 there that need a good laugh too.0 -
There are a lot of FFL's that just will not ship to Commiefornia. I am fixing to list a 1911 over on the auction side and when I do handguns I always ship through this local FFL.. He reminds me every time he will Not ship a handgun to California or Hawaii 0 -
Thanks everybody. I am not a FFL and sell with the best known brokers, the same people I buy from so it does not appear I have a problem at all. 0 -
Guess I need to clear something up. I do not buy and sell guns, I have been collecting for several years and if I make a improvement in my collection I will sell the one that I am replacing. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by dodge69
Would somebody explain to me why so many people do not want to buy or sell guns in the state of California? I was looking at a gun I was interested in but it is with a dealer in California.
Setting aside whether the seller is gun shy, so to speak, there are a couple of reasons.
CA has a "roster" of approved handguns that can be shipped to a CA FFL. Some CA gun owners aren't quite up to speed and the roster itself can be confusing because what appears to be the same gun as approved often is not. So, people make mistakes and it mucks up the deal.
CA gun laws are complicated and often change. Sellers don't want to risk being hassled by the state on the newest changes. The CFLC requirement, unique to this state, and changes to C&R sales are two examples.
As we learned last year, CA goes after on line sellers who, while complying with the law, run afoul of this state's liberal hatred of anything related to guns. The SF DA went after a few on line magazine sellers who were selling perfectly legal items through the mail to CA residents. The DA shook down the sellers for $$$ and pushed them to turn over their mailing lists, which the sellers declined to do.
So when you throw all of that together, toss in that maybe some gun stores aren't exactly great on doing paperwork, and that there are +45 states where it's easier to do business - that probably accounts for much of the reasons.
It would be easier, I suppose, to write it off as "a**holes who won't sell to CA" or that "CA gunowners are jerks to deal with" and I'm sure that exists, but it's that combination of minor reasons rather than any single cause. Just my humble opinion.0 -
I spent a very good portion of the week last week driving through California. Aside from a few stopping points, very little of the state is worth seeing, IMO. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by TRAP55
SHEESH, NOT ANOTHER IGNORANT POST AGAIN....
Rem, why don't you tell us all how little you know what Calif gun owners do? It should be real short.
While you're at it, post it over on CalGuns, there's 300,000 there that need a good laugh too.
His presentation aside, I think we have to admit CA gunowners (I've been on Calguns for about 12 years) are a combination of those who work real hard on gun rights, are creative and persistent as hell - but are outnumbered by those who are indifferent or worse, fractured and (unfortunately) pretty accepting of gun control. True, we're never going to get a publicly pro-gun candidate for any statewide office, but look at how we routinely dump on anyone pro-gun because of some ancillary position such as immigration, same sex marriage or taxes. Mention the NRA and you're more likely to get negative than positive responses.
There's no single voting block in CA large enough, were it all alone in voting for someone or something, to decide winner and loser. The state isn't 51% happy or 51% union members or 51% pro-illegal alien. But each of these on their own has enough members/supporters who vote as a block and swing an election one way or the other. CA gunowners could, if they voted as a block, swing elections. We don't need to be 51% of the vote, only 5 to 10% of the vote in most cases.
CA statewide election winners take in about 4.5M votes at the most.Given the number of votes cast and margins of victory, there are enough CA gunowners to swing elections if they "vote their guns". Which, let's face it, doesn't happen in any state regardless of what folks may assert. But in CA we might have to ask ourselves "how bad must it get?" before we do so.0
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