copper clad .22 long rifle ammo verses lead?
Okay my question is, would copper-clad .22 long rifle ammo eliminate any fear of lead poisoning for children? And I guess also adults. Is there enough copper cladding on them to eliminate lead being transferred to a person's hands?
I do realize the copper-clad ammo Has lead projectile that is only washed with a copper solution over the top of the lead
I only ask because I do have grandchildren. And right now I'm using a product that removes lead from the skin. But I'm just wondering if Coppet clad ammo would alleviate the need for that
I personally think it would alleviate the fear of lead poisoning, but I want to know what you guys think.
I do realize the copper-clad ammo Has lead projectile that is only washed with a copper solution over the top of the lead
I only ask because I do have grandchildren. And right now I'm using a product that removes lead from the skin. But I'm just wondering if Coppet clad ammo would alleviate the need for that
I personally think it would alleviate the fear of lead poisoning, but I want to know what you guys think.
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Lead is a poor poison. If everybody washes hands after handling and shooting, (AND Blow noses!) there is really nothjng to fear.
Any lead that has developed the white oxide "fur" is the dangerous stuff! Avoid at all costs! It can be absorbed right through the skin if hands, etc are moist.
Copper "wash", "clad" and plating does help a little, but the primers often are lead styphnate. There are other primer chemistries, but not ax common, IIRC.
Really, just get the Kids in the habit of washing after shooting or handling, and they are Safe. Jusf avoid old, oxidized white lead.
As z kid in the t0's, I held lead split shot in my mouth while fishing, to clench them on the line. I have been shot several times, and have shrapnel jn my face and body since age 20 something...
No problems. I am Over 65. Stop worrying and Have Fun with Your Grands. Blessings!0 -
I wear latex type gloves when reloading with lead bullets. I don?t want to be crazier than I already am. 0 -
The biggest worry is airborne lead.
There's a lead compound in the priming. Even TMJ ammo has a risk of airborne lead exposure.
They've studied FMJ pistol caliber range ammo and found that 20% of airborne lead comes from the priming and 80% comes from the back of the bullet. Before and after the bullet leaves the muzzle, white hot gases are striking the base of the bullet and escaping around its sides, since there's no perfect seal.
Unplated 22s are probably even worse because there's no copper protecting the sides of the bullet.
Raw bran or raw seeds have phytic acid which can chelate lead and remove it from the body. Cooking heavily reduces but does not completely eliminate phytic acid, so beans, raisin bran, whole grain bread, etc. can all slowly but significantly reduce body burden of lead.
Children are at a higher risk from lead exposure because it causes greater harm to developing brains and nervous systems.0 -
Handling copper plated or jacketed ammo or packaging might still be hazardous because there might be lead dust on it from the ammo factory. 0 -
..I used to cast many thousands of .358 bullets and 12 ga.
slugs. Sure, I'd open a window if it wasn't too cold out.
I never wore gloves when reloading all those thousands of rounds.
I smoked, and did everything else that shouldn't be done with
lead. About 10 years ago I asked my doc to have me checked for
heavy metals. They found exactly zero in my system. Now, I don't
say you shouldn't take precautions, but don't be paranoid either.0 -
If you want a summation of the truth it is much ado about nothing.
Do not eat lead paint, DUH.
Do not eat lead bullets with your breakfast, DUH.
Stop worrying about crap the media has hyped for decades, most of it is bull snarky; lead exposure from shooting is one of them.0 -
Yup. Metallic lead is no big deal. Lead SALTs are the problem. 0 -
"Any lead that has developed the white oxide "fur" is the dangerous stuff! Avoid at all costs! It can be absorbed right through the skin if hands, etc are moist."
If the white 'fur' is lead oxide, it is NOT water soluable. It's not a good idea not to eat, or breathe it, because it can enter your blood from your digestive system. Your skin it a very good barrier.0 -
"Any lead that has developed the white oxide "fur" is the dangerous stuff! Avoid at all costs! It can be absorbed right through the skin if hands, etc are moist."
If the white 'fur' is lead oxide, it is NOT water soluable. It's not a good idea not to eat, or breathe it, because it can enter your blood from your digestive system. Your skin it a very good barrier.0 -
I?m carrying a couple of fragmented 125gr semi-jacketed hp?s around inside of me. The docs claim, lead/copper/etc, it?s better to leave ?em there, that the body will encapsulate the lead and no further harm will be done. I sure hope they?re not blowing smoke. I?d definitely avoid the dust or ingesting the crap if ya don?t have to though. 0 -
Non-copper plated 22 rim fire bullets are still covered with lubricating wax which resists the friction/heat of being punched down the bore by burning powder. It takes considerable handling to rub that stuff off. I don't worry about handling lead bullets although I constantly caution the Grandkids about washing hands after shooting. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by tapwater
..I used to cast many thousands of .358 bullets and 12 ga.
slugs. Sure, I'd open a window if it wasn't too cold out.
I never wore gloves when reloading all those thousands of rounds.
I smoked, and did everything else that shouldn't be done with
lead. About 10 years ago I asked my doc to have me checked for
heavy metals. They found exactly zero in my system. Now, I don't
say you shouldn't take precautions, but don't be paranoid either.
I agree completely. It?s pretty obvious ingesting poison in any amount isn?t good for you so anything you can do, within reason, to limit your exposure should be done. I spent most of my growing-up years in the tobacco and cotton fields ingesting vast quantities of DDT and various forms of lead. The grown-ups evidently didn?t know any more about the hazards than I did.
One day we were in a cotton field and I had been in a cloud of DDT almost all day. I asked my uncle if DDT wasn?t a poison. He said it was. I asked him if it was a good idea for us to be swimming in it all the time. He told me it was a boll weevil poison and we were people, not to worry.
As soon as I was big enough to pull the bullets out of cartridges, I would pull a .22 bullet and chew it all day like gum. Sometimes I would use a cartridge for a pencil.
While I do understand I would be better off if I hadn?t done all that or a lot of other stupid things, I believe if it was as hazardous as they tell us now my mental deficiencies would be more obvious.
I feel the same about roaches and rats. They are nasty critters and I don?t want them around, but if they were as deadly as we are told every human on Earth would be dead by now.
Maybe we should just use a little common sense. Anything can be overdone.0 -
quote:Children are at a higher risk from lead exposure because it causes greater harm to developing brains and nervous systems.
Which is a good reason why not to suck on old lead soldiers like Hillary Clinton done when young. Rumer has it she did sailors as well , but all that information is from a reliable undisclosed source !
As to lead , like most heavy metals it is the vapors that contain the element that are the lost harmful. For instance it is recommended to wear a filter mask when cleaning on the target side of indoor ranges. ( any area beyond the normal firearm muzzle) There are hasmat rules for this and bullet trap clean up. I have been involved in the required procedure manual to meet EPA regulations of lead, selenium. tellurium, etc. Both in a shooting range internment, and a high vacuum coating facility for heavy metals onto a sub straight.
You can buy selenium based health products for consumption for example, but it is considered a carthagenic when in vapor form.0 -
quote:Originally posted by jimdeere
I wear latex type gloves when reloading with lead bullets. I don?t want to be crazier than I already am.
Like that could even happen![:p][}:)][:I]0 -
Thank you all for your replies, and yes I know I'm being paranoid.I have never cared about myself, and never worried about my kids getting lead poisoning as much as I do my grandkids. But you gotta understand I really do love my grandkids... 0 -
quote:Originally posted by HandLoad
Lead is a poor poison. If everybody washes hands after handling and shooting, (AND Blow noses!) there is really nothjng to fear.
Any lead that has developed the white oxide "fur" is the dangerous stuff! Avoid at all costs! It can be absorbed right through the skin if hands, etc are moist.
Copper "wash", "clad" and plating does help a little, but the primers often are lead styphnate. There are other primer chemistries, but not ax common, IIRC.
Really, just get the Kids in the habit of washing after shooting or handling, and they are Safe. Jusf avoid old, oxidized white lead.
As z kid in the t0's, I held lead split shot in my mouth while fishing, to clench them on the line. I have been shot several times, and have shrapnel jn my face and body since age 20 something...
No problems. I am Over 65. Stop worrying and Have Fun with Your Grands. Blessings!
Lucky for me Spit shot I just used my finger to put it on the line. At work I was also Known as Vice Grips. Working as a Mech gave me great finger strength.0
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