How the shutdown is reaching a breaking point
quote:Nine federal departments haven?t received a cent in federal funding in more than a week.
They?ve limped along on leftover money, coasted through the quiet days of the holidays and paid staff with checks already prepped before the lapse.
But all that?s about to end.
Many of the departments and agencies hit by the partial shutdown, which began on Dec. 22, have reached a breaking point in their ability to go on with minimal disruption. They are running out of carryover cash and time to prep checks for the midmonth pay period. In a very visible sign of the growing impact of the shutdown showdown, 19 Smithsonian museums and the National Zoo will close to the public on Wednesday, their temporary funds exhausted.
While paychecks for federal employees went out Friday after a pay period ended on Dec. 22, workers are left wondering whether they will get their next check on Jan. 11. The pay period for that next check ends on Jan. 5. Pay processing varies from agency to agency.
The Office of Management and Budget said in recent guidance that no federal employee ? including those still working without pay ? can be compensated for the pay period spanning Dec. 23 to Jan. 5 until the shutdown ends.
House Democrats plan to vote on two proposals when they take control Thursday. One would fund the Department of Homeland Security until Feb. 8, maintaining border wall funding at existing levels, or $1.3 billion. A second proposal would fund other closed agencies ? such as Transportation, Commerce and Agriculture ? for the rest of the fiscal year through Sept. 30.
But Senate Republicans aren?t likely to accept that plan. The upper chamber has shut its doors until Wednesday afternoon and neither party has shown any signs of compromise in the fight over funding for President Donald Trump?s border wall.
Bracing for a prolonged period without appropriations for much of the federal government, D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser has directed several District offices to stay open longer to receive the hundreds of unemployment claims rolling in.
Amid that uncertainty, Trump issued an executive order on Friday freezing salaries for civilian employees in 2019 ? halting a 2.1 percent raise that was scheduled to take effect in January. Congress, however, could include a pay raise in a spending package to break the budget impasse.
The Office of Personnel Management has provided sample letters federal employees can give to landlords, mortgage companies and creditors to explain late payments.
The departments of Agriculture, Justice, Treasury, Commerce, Interior, State, Transportation, Homeland Security, and Housing and Urban Development as well as agencies like the Environmental Protection Agency, the Food and Drug Administration and the Internal Revenue Service are all hit by the partial shutdown.
How it gets harder:
? Agriculture assistance: USDA offices that offer loans to farmers were able to stay open for the first six days of the shutdown by using leftover funding. But offices across the country will now close.
Starting Jan. 1, USDA won?t be able to issue new loans for rural development or grants for housing, community facilities and utility companies. Payments will stop being processed for agricultural research and education projects. Statistics routinely published on commodity and livestock production, as well as economic projections, will cease. And U.S. Forest Service work to prevent wildfires will halt, along with staffing for ranger stations and other facilities at the agency?s public recreation sites.
Farmers affected by retaliatory tariffs will now have to wait until after the shutdown to receive aid if they have yet to apply for that relief.
? Coast Guard: The shutdown has begun to curtail Coast Guard efforts like mariner licensing, boating safety checks and patrolling to ensure fishing laws are enforced. Maintenance for navigational aids is also delayed, as well as training and ship maintenance. ?The longer the shutdown lasts, the more difficult it will become for the Coast Guard to maintain mission readiness,? said Coast Guard spokesman Chad Saylor.
The Trump administration announced a change in policy late Friday, however, ensuring active duty members of the Coast Guard will be paid on Dec. 31. But checks are not guaranteed for those workers on the service?s Jan. 15 payday.
? DHS investigations: While the majority of workers at DHS are kept on during shutdowns, only about a third of the nearly 800 employees in the inspector general?s office are slated to stay on the job. That means far less support staff as the internal watchdog investigates incidents like the deaths of two migrant children in DHS custody in December.
A department official who spoke to POLITICO on the condition of anonymity said those furloughed workers are needed to round up records and interview witnesses to prevent ?the investigative trail? from ?going stale.?
A partial US government shutdown began at midnight when a funding agreement between the Congress and President Trump could not be reached.
? The Smithsonian: Nineteen Smithsonian museums and the National Zoo will close to the public on Wednesday, adding thousands more workers to the pool of furloughed federal employees. The shutdown also means that live camera feeds used by the public to watch giant pandas and other animals from afar will go dark.
? Tax filing season: The extended lapse comes at a particularly awkward time for the IRS, which will likely have to redo its shutdown plan this week to prepare for the upcoming filing season ? the first in which both taxpayers and the agency will need to navigate the changes from the tax law Republicans enacted a year ago. Top agency officials predicted even before the shutdown started that the start of the filing season could slip into February, after starting in mid-to-late January in recent years.
About seven in eight IRS employees are currently furloughed. But Tony Reardon, president of the National Treasury Employees Union, said last week that the agency would have to call many more workers back, without pay, for filing season.
? EPA: The Environmental Protection Agency, which had enough extra money to operate as usual through the first week of the funding lapse, has advised agency employees that shutdown procedures will start Monday.
? FAA training: The union that represents air traffic controllers complained this week that delays at the Federal Aviation Administration?s training academy are about to exacerbate the yearslong backlog in bringing on new hires in a field that is already plagued with staffing shortages.
? Launching IPOs: The longer the shutdown goes, the harder it will be on companies planning to launch initial public offerings. The Securities and Exchange Commission says it has a limited number of workers available solely for emergency situations involving market integrity and investor protection, so companies planning to launch IPOs will have to wait until after the shutdown is over, potentially causing their agency filings to go stale in the meantime and making them miss a window for offering their first stock sales.
? Justice system: Federal courts are expected to be able to operate only through Jan. 11 by tapping into court fees and other funds not subject to annual appropriations. If the shutdown drags on past that date, each court and federal defender?s office is allowed to determine the staffing resources necessary to support ongoing work.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/analysis-how-the-shutdown-is-reaching-a-breaking-point/ar-BBRFUM1?li=BBnb7Kz
They?ve limped along on leftover money, coasted through the quiet days of the holidays and paid staff with checks already prepped before the lapse.
But all that?s about to end.
Many of the departments and agencies hit by the partial shutdown, which began on Dec. 22, have reached a breaking point in their ability to go on with minimal disruption. They are running out of carryover cash and time to prep checks for the midmonth pay period. In a very visible sign of the growing impact of the shutdown showdown, 19 Smithsonian museums and the National Zoo will close to the public on Wednesday, their temporary funds exhausted.
While paychecks for federal employees went out Friday after a pay period ended on Dec. 22, workers are left wondering whether they will get their next check on Jan. 11. The pay period for that next check ends on Jan. 5. Pay processing varies from agency to agency.
The Office of Management and Budget said in recent guidance that no federal employee ? including those still working without pay ? can be compensated for the pay period spanning Dec. 23 to Jan. 5 until the shutdown ends.
House Democrats plan to vote on two proposals when they take control Thursday. One would fund the Department of Homeland Security until Feb. 8, maintaining border wall funding at existing levels, or $1.3 billion. A second proposal would fund other closed agencies ? such as Transportation, Commerce and Agriculture ? for the rest of the fiscal year through Sept. 30.
But Senate Republicans aren?t likely to accept that plan. The upper chamber has shut its doors until Wednesday afternoon and neither party has shown any signs of compromise in the fight over funding for President Donald Trump?s border wall.
Bracing for a prolonged period without appropriations for much of the federal government, D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser has directed several District offices to stay open longer to receive the hundreds of unemployment claims rolling in.
Amid that uncertainty, Trump issued an executive order on Friday freezing salaries for civilian employees in 2019 ? halting a 2.1 percent raise that was scheduled to take effect in January. Congress, however, could include a pay raise in a spending package to break the budget impasse.
The Office of Personnel Management has provided sample letters federal employees can give to landlords, mortgage companies and creditors to explain late payments.
The departments of Agriculture, Justice, Treasury, Commerce, Interior, State, Transportation, Homeland Security, and Housing and Urban Development as well as agencies like the Environmental Protection Agency, the Food and Drug Administration and the Internal Revenue Service are all hit by the partial shutdown.
How it gets harder:
? Agriculture assistance: USDA offices that offer loans to farmers were able to stay open for the first six days of the shutdown by using leftover funding. But offices across the country will now close.
Starting Jan. 1, USDA won?t be able to issue new loans for rural development or grants for housing, community facilities and utility companies. Payments will stop being processed for agricultural research and education projects. Statistics routinely published on commodity and livestock production, as well as economic projections, will cease. And U.S. Forest Service work to prevent wildfires will halt, along with staffing for ranger stations and other facilities at the agency?s public recreation sites.
Farmers affected by retaliatory tariffs will now have to wait until after the shutdown to receive aid if they have yet to apply for that relief.
? Coast Guard: The shutdown has begun to curtail Coast Guard efforts like mariner licensing, boating safety checks and patrolling to ensure fishing laws are enforced. Maintenance for navigational aids is also delayed, as well as training and ship maintenance. ?The longer the shutdown lasts, the more difficult it will become for the Coast Guard to maintain mission readiness,? said Coast Guard spokesman Chad Saylor.
The Trump administration announced a change in policy late Friday, however, ensuring active duty members of the Coast Guard will be paid on Dec. 31. But checks are not guaranteed for those workers on the service?s Jan. 15 payday.
? DHS investigations: While the majority of workers at DHS are kept on during shutdowns, only about a third of the nearly 800 employees in the inspector general?s office are slated to stay on the job. That means far less support staff as the internal watchdog investigates incidents like the deaths of two migrant children in DHS custody in December.
A department official who spoke to POLITICO on the condition of anonymity said those furloughed workers are needed to round up records and interview witnesses to prevent ?the investigative trail? from ?going stale.?
A partial US government shutdown began at midnight when a funding agreement between the Congress and President Trump could not be reached.
? The Smithsonian: Nineteen Smithsonian museums and the National Zoo will close to the public on Wednesday, adding thousands more workers to the pool of furloughed federal employees. The shutdown also means that live camera feeds used by the public to watch giant pandas and other animals from afar will go dark.
? Tax filing season: The extended lapse comes at a particularly awkward time for the IRS, which will likely have to redo its shutdown plan this week to prepare for the upcoming filing season ? the first in which both taxpayers and the agency will need to navigate the changes from the tax law Republicans enacted a year ago. Top agency officials predicted even before the shutdown started that the start of the filing season could slip into February, after starting in mid-to-late January in recent years.
About seven in eight IRS employees are currently furloughed. But Tony Reardon, president of the National Treasury Employees Union, said last week that the agency would have to call many more workers back, without pay, for filing season.
? EPA: The Environmental Protection Agency, which had enough extra money to operate as usual through the first week of the funding lapse, has advised agency employees that shutdown procedures will start Monday.
? FAA training: The union that represents air traffic controllers complained this week that delays at the Federal Aviation Administration?s training academy are about to exacerbate the yearslong backlog in bringing on new hires in a field that is already plagued with staffing shortages.
? Launching IPOs: The longer the shutdown goes, the harder it will be on companies planning to launch initial public offerings. The Securities and Exchange Commission says it has a limited number of workers available solely for emergency situations involving market integrity and investor protection, so companies planning to launch IPOs will have to wait until after the shutdown is over, potentially causing their agency filings to go stale in the meantime and making them miss a window for offering their first stock sales.
? Justice system: Federal courts are expected to be able to operate only through Jan. 11 by tapping into court fees and other funds not subject to annual appropriations. If the shutdown drags on past that date, each court and federal defender?s office is allowed to determine the staffing resources necessary to support ongoing work.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/analysis-how-the-shutdown-is-reaching-a-breaking-point/ar-BBRFUM1?li=BBnb7Kz
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I hate to say it and I hope I?m wrong but I expect President Trump to cave in the end. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Ricci Wright
I hate to say it and I hope I?m wrong but I expect President Trump to cave in the end.
I hope he hangs tough.
Screw Em'.
The Wall, needs to happen. Undocumented, unregulated Immigration coupled with copious amounts of Free Sheeit, does not bode well for us Taxpayers.
You know, those of us willing to Work for a living.
Democraps wanting them in (in order to increase their Voting Block,) need to host them at their freakin' House.
You know Nancy, Chuck, O'Bummer, Lieawatha, etc. etc.
I REALLY do not see that happening.0 -
Still hasn't affected me, all those Fed workers need to realsise this is how everyday business is run.
Just read that some of the National parks in California are now overrun by feces/trash/ whatever, due to low Park Service employees as baby sitters[:(!]
Maybe all those park visitors need to just go to San Francisco[?] Be right at home.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Ricci Wright
I hate to say it and I hope I?m wrong but I expect President Trump to cave in the end.
Just read a news report that he is requesting a bipartisan meeting one day before the Dems take the House. I don?t believe the Democrats will cave on the wall.0 -
how about cancelling the WALL with the cast in stone ORDER...NO IMMIGRATION IN ANY FORM...illegal crossings will get you thrown back south or in hard labor camps for a year then deported NO ADULTS NO KIDS NOBODY..and illegals injuring AMERICAN CITIZENS get life NO PAROLE killing AMERICAN CITIZENS get any immediate execution....a PAPER WALL....a REAL ONE 0 -
The only thing that ever gets shut down is unnecessary departments. If they're unnecessary, my question is why do we have them?!
Shut them down and leave them shut down!!!0 -
I can appreciate that many are worried about making their car payments and other living expenses but many of us are worried about our national security.....I say US security should win out everytime [;)] 0 -
When are the fed employees due their next paycheck?? I think they are paid every too weeks so they probably haven?t missed a payday yet. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Ricci Wright
When are the fed employees due their next paycheck?? I think they are paid every too weeks so they probably haven?t missed a payday yet.
Normally the 1st and the 15th.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Ricci Wright
I hate to say it and I hope I?m wrong but I expect President Trump to cave in the end.
If he does, stick a fork in him. He is done to the folks that elected him!
Some of them finished with him on the bump stock thing.
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quote:Originally posted by US Military Guy
quote:Originally posted by Ricci Wright
I hate to say it and I hope I?m wrong but I expect President Trump to cave in the end.
If he does, stick a fork in him. He is done to the folks that elected him!
Some of them finished with him on the bump stock thing.
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Yep,...he's headed down the crapper fast if he caves on the wall promise, and I'm afraid he's going to.0 -
You all want him to stand tough on this & his other promises,, send emails to the White voicing your support. Don't sit your butt on here whinning about him, get up off you lazy butts & show him you support him. I don't think he's a member here!! 0 -
quote:Originally posted by us55840
From a political standpoint, the real question is WHO WILL THE PUBLIC BLAME THE MOST FOR THE SHUT DOWN?
The vast majority of the public know illegal immigration is a serious problem and border security is necessary. The vast majority also knows the demonrats are total obstructionists to ANYTHING President Trump favors. Also, most demonrats were in favor of border security BEFORE Trump was for it.
I believe the demonrats will pay a huge price for acting like a 2 year old brat.
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Sorry but the Democrats are great at shifting the blame It will be all Trumps fault in the end.0 -
It?s about to hit, indeed.
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quote:Originally posted by grumpygy
quote:Originally posted by Ricci Wright
When are the fed employees due their next paycheck?? I think they are paid every too weeks so they probably haven?t missed a payday yet.
Normally the 1st and the 15th.
No, Every two weeks.
Military is 1/15.0 -
quote:Originally posted by guntech59
quote:Originally posted by grumpygy
quote:Originally posted by Ricci Wright
When are the fed employees due their next paycheck?? I think they are paid every too weeks so they probably haven?t missed a payday yet.
Normally the 1st and the 15th.
No, Every two weeks.
Military is 1/15.
Isn't that what I said.0 -
Will the zoo animals starve? On second thought what's the U.S. government doing with a zoo?
Time to start a GO FUND me to feed the animals. Think a million will be enough to keep the animal "fat and happy"
WOWZER:, surely food stamps won't be late !!!!!!0 -
Need to NOT pay back pay or any other costs associated with shut down too! 0 -
The employees never miss anything. Each time this happens they get retro pay for the period. Certainly they will get it again as soon as this political theater is settled. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Junkballer
I can appreciate that many are worried about making their car payments and other living expenses but many of us are worried about our national security.....I say US security should win out everytime [;)]
Worried about making a payment when you will NOT lose a single dime in pay? No money to cover 60 days of expenses WHEN YOU WORK full time.0 -
They're going to miraculously come to a last minute "something" and the money will be there to reopen.
There won't be all the wall money, just enough for Trump to say he didn't cave, and little enough for the Dems to beat their chests and say they didn't cave.
Everybody keeps saying that the Dems are bad and are going to be pushed out. But, they keep winning seats. We conservatives talk a better game than we walk...0 -
quote:Originally posted by brier-49
You all want him to stand tough on this & his other promises,, send emails to the White voicing your support. Don't sit your butt on here whinning about him, get up off you lazy butts & show him you support him. I don't think he's a member here!!
We should TWEET something!0 -
Dang! Looks like I?m a ?non-essential.? Bummer - guess the past couple of decades were a waste.
For the outspoken few - might ask yourself just how essential are YOU to this country? Just saying....[;)]0 -
Just goes to show how much government is BS. Jobs for connected slobs, the friends and family of politicraps, has killed many a demonrat craphole. Repuke corruption is almost as bad. 0 -
I support the President. Go Donald! 0 -
No need for green here.
Essential employees have to work, even though they don't know when they will be paid, & non-essential employees aren't allowed to work. The money for salaries has been budgeted. The only reason for the shutdown is because the Draft Dodger wants to inflict pain on federal employees AND the general public, in hopes of getting what he wants from Pelosi.
Many low salary feds WILL lose money, when they have to pay penalty & interest on car & house payments that aren't paid timely. And, most federal contract employees who get laid off will never be paid; tough luck for them.
And, for the record, all spending bills must originate in the House. The framers of the Constitution called it "checks & balances". Sometimes you just can't get what you want.
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Best thing that could ever happen is to lose about a half million or more Federal employees. We need the private sector making money and being productive. For every one Fed employee who actually works ten don't. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by us55840
Interesting how some have no issue in blaming Trump when he is willing to negotiate with the Dems who REFUSE to negotiate and have said so at a joint meeting yesterday and, most likely, will do so again at the meeting scheduled for tomorrow after lip chewing pelosi get her was as speaker of the house.
He already came down from the initial $25 Billion to $5 Billion.
WHY don't the Dems want to secure our border and protect the citizens of the USA? Perhaps the same reason they want to disarm all citizens. It's all about control, they are the 'elite' and the rest of us are just peons giving them $$ to live an opulant lifestyle.
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Yep, and they have a complicit media to help them.
As long as I can remember the DEMOCRAT liars in the media, every government shutdown or threat of a shutdown is blamed on GOP. Usually the POTUS if he is GOP and GOP congress in the case of Obama, Clinton, and Carter.
Trump nails it every time he says the media is the enemy of the people.0 -
Didn't Obama increased the Fed. employment roll by over 30%? Maybe it's time to get back to reality here and give the tax payers a well earned brake for a change. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by us55840
quote:Originally posted by grumpygy
quote:Originally posted by us55840
From a political standpoint, the real question is WHO WILL THE PUBLIC BLAME THE MOST FOR THE SHUT DOWN?
The vast majority of the public know illegal immigration is a serious problem and border security is necessary. The vast majority also knows the demonrats are total obstructionists to ANYTHING President Trump favors. Also, most demonrats were in favor of border security BEFORE Trump was for it.
I believe the demonrats will pay a huge price for acting like a 2 year old brat.
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Sorry but the Democrats are great at shifting the blame It will be all Trumps fault in the end.
The blame game can shift quickly. Just let a few more illegals get caught raping, robbing and killing good looking women and men with wives and little children.
[;)]
Has that not already been Happening.0
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