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Derringer Ser.# 2482361, Cat.# 9194. Yr. of mfg.? Thanks
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quote:Originally posted by asop
Derringer Ser.# 2482361, Cat.# 9194. Yr. of mfg.? Thanks
2,482,361 shipped with key serial number M 043,832 as a catalog number 9194 ( blued in .22 Magnum) on 4/4/1975 to account number 2709600 on invoice number 63084-1. It went to assembly 2/25/1975 and finished in assembly and test 4/3/1975.0 -
My derringer number starts with 161----.
Any info??0 -
Best info available is this site- courtesy of Mr. John Stimson
http://www.histandard.info/
And many of us owe you a BIG thank you.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Irish 8802
My derringer number starts with 161----.
Any info??
I will not work with partial serial numbers. Providing partial serial numbers prevents accurate answers as these guns were not produced and or shipped in serial number order. I think that providing partial serial numbers is a silly practice.0 -
quote:on 4/4/1975 to account number 2709600
John, just curious with all he records you have, are there any references to "who" the account number was? Like Joe's Gunshop, Dallas, TX?0 -
The record format varied over time.
My records were obtained from ATF as copies of the original factory records as microfilmed by a contractor for ATF.
The early records gave model, ship date and customer name but no address or which barrel length of design series. these were hand written in a bound book with about 30 records per page.
The next generation of records occurred after the war and were kept using unit record machined with periodic printouts of the cards. at this time the printouts had about 42 serial numbers per page. The data included serial number, catalog number, date shipped, account number and invoice number. Legibility is usually better except when the printer ribbon was low on ink. I have found no "key" for the account numbers. These were printed on fan fold "computer paper"
Next they went back to hand written records in ring binder books. 100 serial numbers per page . Serial number, catalog number, account number and invoice number. This era introduced the "Key" serial number where only one of the guns on a shipment had all the data. the other guns on the shipment did not have the date , account number or invoice number but referred you to the "KAY" serial number which had those pieces of data. Thus the majority of serial numbers one must look up two serial numbers to get all the information. There were a couple or more different account numbering system during this time and again no KEY.
Next they changed to 50 records per page hand written with two additional pieces of information. the date sent to assembly and the date packed which is the date of acceptance at the range.
Then after the move to East Hartford they used the same form but stopped using the to assembly and packed information
and finally during the last year or so the stopped using the account number used the customer name and address.
I have found a single page of the KEY for one of the later account number system so there was a key but not in the records I got from ATF.
From about 1967 on there are copies pf probably most of the invoices so is one invests the time one might be able to find the data you inquired about the customer name and address. Unfortunately the invoices are not sorted by date, account number or invoice number. They are loosely grouped by month and year and I have found that that the grouping are not absolutely correct as one might find a invoice filed in the wrong month.
I seldom look up the invoice for general inquiries.
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John-Appreciate your expertice. Ever eat at "Shapiros"? Thanks for the info. 0 -
Yes I know Shapiros. as a child visiting Indianapolis, we went to the one just south of down town. There is now one on the north side relatively near me. 0
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