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  • kristov
    Slavery, or slaves, is mentioned 22 times, yet the GB hardcore's agenda maintains that the War Between The States had little or nothing to do with slavery.
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  • brier-49
    It is funny because CT had slaves when the War of Northern Aggression broke out.
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  • kimi
    quote:Originally posted by kristov
    Slavery, or slaves, is mentioned 22 times, yet the GB hardcore's agenda maintains that the War Between The States had little or nothing to do with slavery.


    Slavery, as were a half dozen plus other issues were central to the war...all intertwined, all legitimate. That's my opinion kristov. BTW, thank you for your comments. Hope all is well on the homefront.
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  • buschmaster
    quote:Originally posted by kimi
    Texas abandoned her separate national existence and consented to become one of the Confederated Union to promote her welfare, insure domestic tranquility and secure more substantiallythey spelled ensure wrong
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  • buschmaster
    while I don't agree with the subservience or inherent inferiority of the black race (or any) to the white, their grievances seemed quite legitimate and that was a finely written piece of work. that's how you do it.
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  • serf
    quote:Originally posted by kristov
    Slavery, or slaves, is mentioned 22 times, yet the GB hardcore's agenda maintains that the War Between The States had little or nothing to do with slavery.



    Yeah but they just became wage slaves like the rest of us. The art of persuasion has many facets, some more hideous than others but in the end it's all mind over matter.

    A.I. robots will change all of this with mankind's possessions.I fear that trans humanism is not going to be any less intense for the players however. Just different rules but the poor discrimination will always be with us.

    serf
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  • minitruck83
    quote:Originally posted by brier-49
    It is funny because CT had slaves when the War of Northern Aggression broke out.


    In Delaware, Missouri, and Kentucky, slavery was legal AFTER the war!
    (possibly NJ also)
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  • kimi
    quote:Originally posted by buschmaster
    quote:Originally posted by kimi
    Texas abandoned her separate national existence and consented to become one of the Confederated Union to promote her welfare, insure domestic tranquility and secure more substantiallythey spelled ensure wrong


    Wrong, yet again! [:D]
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  • kimi
    quote:Originally posted by buschmaster
    while I don't agree with the subservience or inherent inferiority of the black race (or any) to the white, their grievances seemed quite legitimate and that was a finely written piece of work. that's how you do it.


    Right on. Leave it to those pseky Texans to bring a great deal of good sense to the subject. [:)]
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  • serf
    quote:Originally posted by kimi
    quote:Originally posted by buschmaster
    while I don't agree with the subservience or inherent inferiority of the black race (or any) to the white, their grievances seemed quite legitimate and that was a finely written piece of work. that's how you do it.


    Right on. Leave it to those pseky Texans to bring a great deal of good sense to the subject. [:)]



    Slavery is unlawful but discrimination is not.Arguing about water under the bridge is irrelevant!Instead Try to be a blue collar middle class worker 0ver 60 trying to find a good paying job in our workforce.Or the government to enforce immigration laws with out the United Nations butting in and not having to pay for any/all the costs that brings it to a state or nation. Soon robots will be care takers anyway.

    Then try to get the government to enforce civil age worker's discrimination laws! It's a joke !

    Only loud obnoxious groups that ban together get any attention,laws on the books are a joke when you can even get the authorities to enforce them.

    Arguing about water under the bridge is irrelevant! Slavery is over and done with.All they won back then was not to be bought,sold or traded like chattel.

    serf
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  • kimi
    quote:Originally posted by serf
    quote:Originally posted by kimi
    quote:Originally posted by buschmaster
    while I don't agree with the subservience or inherent inferiority of the black race (or any) to the white, their grievances seemed quite legitimate and that was a finely written piece of work. that's how you do it.


    Right on. Leave it to those pseky Texans to bring a great deal of good sense to the subject. [:)]



    Slavery is unlawful but discrimination is not.Arguing about water under the bridge is irrelevant!Instead Try to be a blue collar middle class worker 0ver 60 trying to find a good paying job in our workforce.Or the government to enforce immigration laws with out the United Nations butting in and not having to pay for any/all the costs that brings it to a state or nation. Soon robots will be care takers anyway.

    Then try to get the government to enforce civil age worker's discrimination laws! It's a joke !

    Only loud obnoxious groups that ban together get any attention,laws on the books are a joke when you can even get the authorities to enforce them.

    Arguing about water under the bridge is irrelevant! Slavery is over and done with.All they won back then was not to be bought,sold or traded like chattel.

    serf


    We are still being controlled by the exact same kind of people as were Americans during the subject period, so we cannot expect things to get better unless we see people standing up against their kind.
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  • fideau
    Where it gets bent is when people were convinced that the un-Constitutional invasion of Southern states by the Federal government was some noble cause to end slavery. It was not. It was to stop the states from leaving the Union. Lincoln was known to say he believed slavery was wrong, but that blacks should not have the same rights as whites. He even considered deporting them. The issue was whether the Federal government had the right to interfere in state's rights to decide the issue. Along with the huge tariffs placed on Southern goods, which was the major portion of Federal funds.

    While poor immigrants were worked to death, even children, and lived in poverty in the North, this was overlooked while history books were written to convince people that they were slaughtered to free the slaves. Thus convincing them that the war crimes committed by the Union were justified. People still believe this today, even with all the information that is available to tell a different story.
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  • medic07
    Yes slavery was one of the issues for the states that seceded from the Union. However, slavery was legal at that point in history. We cannot hold the people of the 1860s to the standards of today; we know it is abhorrent and would not allow it today.

    Lincoln did not stand up at the start of the war and state that he intended to free the slaves and abolish slavery. The Emancipation Proclamation did not get released until 1863 (after the war started) and then specifically only freed the slaves in the southern states that seceded.

    If anyone doubts that ending slavery was not the goal of the war, explain how slavery was not abolished in the states supporting the Union upon issuance of the Emancipation Proclamation and how the last state to abolish slavery was a northern state (Delaware if I recall correctly)
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  • mjrfd99
    quote:Originally posted by minitruck83
    quote:Originally posted by brier-49
    It is funny because CT had slaves when the War of Northern Aggression broke out.


    In Delaware, Missouri, and Kentucky, slavery was legal AFTER the war!
    (possibly NJ also)


    NJ residents ARE slaves to the complete dnc failure. NJ is broke and busted top to bottom by demonrat scum ? The biggest broke s***piles? NY CA MD IL MA CT ALL demoncrap destroyed
    https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/best-run-states-are-all-solidly-republican-worst-run-mostly-democratic-study-finds/
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  • iceracerx
    quote:Originally posted by medic07
    Yes slavery was one of the issues for the states that seceded from the Union. However, slavery was legal at that point in history. We cannot hold the people of the 1860s to the standards of today; we know it is abhorrent and would not allow it today.

    Lincoln did not stand up at the start of the war and state that he intended to free the slaves and abolish slavery. The Emancipation Proclamation did not get released until 1863 (after the war started) and then specifically only freed the slaves in the southern states that seceded.

    If anyone doubts that ending slavery was not the goal of the war, explain how slavery was not abolished in the states supporting the Union upon issuance of the Emancipation Proclamation and how the last state to abolish slavery was a northern state (Delaware if I recall correctly)


    Until February 7, 2013, the state of Mississippi had never submitted the required documentation to ratify the Thirteenth Amendment, meaning it never officially had abolished slavery. The amendment was adopted in December 1865 after the necessary three-fourths of the then 36 states voted in favor of ratification.

    EDIT: All the Northern states abolished slavery; New Jersey in 1804 was the last to act. (Northern = North of the Mason Dixon Line)
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  • medic07
    quote:EDIT: All the Northern states abolished slavery; New Jersey in 1804 was the last to act. (Northern = North of the Mason Dixon Line)

    I guess I should have clarified to mean not the states that aligned with the Confederacy. The border states to my knowledge were not fully aligned either way.
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  • kumate
    good stuff kimi
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  • kimi
    quote:Originally posted by kumate
    good stuff kimi


    Thank you, Brother. Hope all is well with you and yours!
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  • kumate
    just went on a trip for the 30ht anniversary to Port Aransas, choke canyon, lake Travis, inner space caverns and finally to my uncle's in Liberty Hill, also went to Blacks in Lockhart. Kinda hot down home compared to the mountains but it showed my wife how awesome Texas really is
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  • kimi
    quote:Originally posted by kumate
    just went on a trip for the 30ht anniversary to Port Aransas, choke canyon, lake Travis, inner space caverns and finally to my uncle's in Liberty Hill, also went to Blacks in Lockhart. Kinda hot down home compared to the mountains but it showed my wife how awesome Texas really is


    Sounds like you had a great vacation and saw some beautiful country! The wife and I just finished a trip ourselves. It was really hot, especially in the low country of California and Arizona on I-8. Like a furnace with high wind. Worst I have ever encountered in my life, by far.
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