Jesse James My Father
From sources close to America's legendary Jesse James. Chapters of the book, the first half, are online, short, and filled with a great deal of information that will not be found elsewhere, to my knowledge. Enjoy an exciting, fast read when you get the chance:
Jesse James My Father
written by Jesse James, Jr.
The First and Only True Story of His Adventures Ever Written
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com/History/jamesgangjessejr1.htm
Jesse James My Father
written by Jesse James, Jr.
The First and Only True Story of His Adventures Ever Written
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com/History/jamesgangjessejr1.htm
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When I read the topic - I thought you were bragging! 0 -
quote:Originally posted by WearyTraveler
When I read the topic - I thought you were bragging!
[:D] Great minds think alike [;)]0 -
Thanks kimi, I have been enjoying your posts but have been too busy reading all of your links to comment.
I recall a lot of Jesse's family members went ape crap crazy back in the day, selling anything that ole Jesse put his hands on.[:D]
Even his mom was said to have sold at least a couple dozen of his old pistols. Maybe a whole lot more if you really do some digging!0 -
quote:Originally posted by Brookwood
Thanks kimi, I have been enjoying your posts but have been too busy reading all of your links to comment.
I recall a lot of Jesse's family members went ape crap crazy back in the day, selling anything that ole Jesse put his hands on.[:D]
Even his mom was said to have sold at least a couple dozen of his old pistols. Maybe a whole lot more if you really do some digging!
Thank you for taking the time out of your day to read them, or those that you have, as it does take a bit of time to do so. Hopefully, the information helps to bring a more balanced picture to come of us today, about the citizens in the days and times covered, and the events/environment that went a long way toward shaping their lives.0 -
That's a great read. I don't have the time to read all of it today, but will get back at it!
Thanks for all the great historical posts!
FYI, my Bride shares the same name as Jesse's Mother and wife!0 -
quote:Originally posted by gearheaddad
That's a great read. I don't have the time to read all of it today, but will get back at it!
Thanks for all the great historical posts!
FYI, my Bride shares the same name as Jesse's Mother and wife!
You're welcome, Ed! Thank you for reading what you can. That's wonderful about the wife's name, too! [:)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by kimi
quote:Originally posted by gearheaddad
That's a great read. I don't have the time to read all of it today, but will get back at it!
Thanks for all the great historical posts!
FYI, my Bride shares the same name as Jesse's Mother and wife!
You're welcome, Ed! Thank you for reading what you can. That's wonderful about the wife's name, too! [:)]
Pretty funny actually. She nor anyone in her family knew it until I came around!!
I like telling people she's named after Jesse James Mother, cousin, and wife!! Cousin and wife are one in the same!![;)][:D]0 -
quote:Originally posted by gearheaddad
quote:Originally posted by kimi
quote:Originally posted by gearheaddad
That's a great read. I don't have the time to read all of it today, but will get back at it!
Thanks for all the great historical posts!
FYI, my Bride shares the same name as Jesse's Mother and wife!
You're welcome, Ed! Thank you for reading what you can. That's wonderful about the wife's name, too! [:)]
Pretty funny actually. She nor anyone in her family knew it until I came around!!
I like telling people she's named after Jesse James Mother, cousin, and wife!! Cousin and wife are one in the same!![;)][:D]
[:D] Good for you, Ed, and funny as you mention! I just looked the name up...what a great meaning it has. Ya'll are gonna like what Jesse's Mom is said to have done in one of the chapters! [:D]0 -
Amazing how criminal low lifes get turned into folk heros. I am reminded of Dylan's 'Joey' about a Brooklyn hood. Turned him into Robin Hood. 0 -
see that's the thing. not all criminals are lowlifes. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by He Dog
Amazing how criminal low lifes get turned into folk heros. I am reminded of Dylan's 'Joey' about a Brooklyn hood. Turned him into Robin Hood.
[:0] Well fancy that! Joey Who?0 -
what the ???
Manly Missouri Cross-Dressers
of the War of Northern Aggression
We start with the purtiest guerrilla of them all [:X] Jesse James, courtesy of John N. Edwards:
Four miles from Independence, and back a little from the road leading to Kansas City, a house stood occupied by several women light of love. Thither regularly went Federal soldiers from the Independence garrison, and the drinking was deep and the orgies shameful. Gregg set a trap to catch a few of the comers and goers. Within the lines of the enemy, much circumspection was required to make an envelopment of the house successful.
He chose Jesse James from among a number of volunteers and sent him forward to reconnoiter the premises. Jesse, arrayed in coquettish female apparel, with his smooth face, blue eyes, and blooming cheeks, looked the image of a bashful country girl, not yet acquainted with vice, though half eager and half reluctant to walk a step nearer to the edge of its perilous precipice. As he mounted, woman fashion, upon a fiery horse, the wind blew all about his peach colored face the pink ribbons of a garish bonnet, and lifted the tell-tale riding habit just enough to reveal instead of laced shoes or gaiters, the muddy boots of a born cavalryman.
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Jesse James, having pointed out to him with tolerable accuracy the direction of the house, left the road, skirted the timber rapidly, leaped several ugly ravines, floundered over a few marshy places, and finally reached his destination without meeting a citizen or encountering an enemy. He would not dismount, but sat upon his horse at the fence and asked that the mistress of the establishment might come out to him. Little by little, and with many a gawky protest and many a bashful simper, he told a plausible story of parental espionage and family discipline.
like he's talking in a high-pitched squeaky voice??? ya I can imagine that. definitely youtube material
He, ostensibly a she, could not have boyfriend, could not go with the soldiers, could not sit with them late, nor ride with them, nor romp with them; she was tired of it all and wanted a little fun. Would the mistress let her come occasionally to her and bring with her three or four neighbor girls, who were in the same predicament?
The mistress laughed and was glad. New faces to her were like new coin, and she put forth a hand and patted the merchantable thing upon the knee, and ogled her smiling mouth and girlish features gleefully. As she-wolf and venturesome lamb separated, the assignation was assured. That night the amorous country girl, accompanied by three of her young female companions, was to return, and the mistress--confident in her ability to provide them lovers--was to make known among the soldiers the attractive acquisition.
It lacked an hour of sunset when Jesse James got back to Gregg; an hour after sunset the Guerrillas, following hard upon the track made by the boy spy, rode rapidly on to keep the tryst?ing. The house was gracious with lights, and jubilant with laughter. Drink abounded, and under cover of the clinking glasses, the men kissed the women. Anticipating an orgy of unusual attractions, twelve Federals bad been lured out from the garrison and made to believe that bare-footed maidens ran wild in the woods, and buxom lasses hid for the hunting.
No guards were out; no sentinels were posted. Jesse James crept close to a window and peered in. The night was chill and a large wood fire blazed upon a large hearth. All the company was in one room, five women and a dozen men. Scattered about yet ready for the grasping, the cavalry carbines were in easy reach ...
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buschmaster: Here is the same story as told by Jesse James Jr:
The attack of Plattsburg, Mo., by the guerrillas was one of these most thrilling events. The court house in the center of the square in Plattsburg was held by forty-six Federal soldiers heavily armed. Twelve guerrillas marched to the town in the night. Three hundred yards from the square they formed fours and made a charge forward. The garrison in the court house was warned of their coming, and every window was full of guns, and the square was swept by minnie balls. The twelve guerrillas attacked the court house in the face of a pitiless fire and captured it. Forty-six Federal soldiers surrendering to twelve guerrillas, who broke to pieces the two hundred muskets they found in the court house and appropriated $10,000 in Missouri defence bonds they found there. The forty-six Federal soldiers were paroled under sacred promise that in the future they would treat non-combatants and Southern sympathizers with more mercy than they bad done in the past.
Leaving Plattsburg the guerrillas crossed the Missouri river to Independence. Four miles from Independence there was a disorderly house kept by several women, and it was a resort for the officers of the Federal garrison at Independence. The guerrillas set a trap to catch these officers.
Jesse James, dressed as a young girl, rode on horseback up to this house and called its mistress out. Imitating the voice and manner of a girl my father told her that he lived not far away, that he was a girl fond of adventure, and would like to come to the house that night, bringing two or three neighbor girls, "to have a good time." The mistress of the house consented, and the supposed girl on horseback said he and the other girls would be there that night.
The mistress sent word at once to the Federal officers in Independence that four new girls would be at her house that night.
It was after dark when Jesse James and the other guerrillas rode up to the house, and dismounting, crept up and peered in at the windows. Twelve Federal officers were in there with the women. No guards or sentinels were out. The Federals felt secure. All the company was in one room, five women and twelve men. A cheery fire blazed and crackled on the hearth of the old-fashioned fire place.
Jesse James, with five men went to one window. Bill Gregg, with five men, went to another. Each of the nine guerrillas in the darkness outside selected his man. At a signal that had been agreed upon there was the crack of nine revolvers that sounded like the discharge of a single gun. The glass, slivered in a thousand bits, crashed, and nine of the Federal soldiers fell dead at that first volley. The remaining three fell dead an instant later. The guerrillas mounted and rode away.0 -
Dale:
Dale:
I am disappointed in your two responses to what has been presented about the atrocities conducted by Lincoln, his generals, and his soldiers, among others, but I am not totally surprised since we both know each other rather well, and I am certain the feeling is likewise. What the Union generals and their leaders did in Western Missouri in the counties of Jackson, Cass, and Bates to southern sympathizers, northern sympathizers, and the folks who tried to remain neutral during the C*vil W*r, including their policy of No Quarter, can be viewed as criminal, IMO.
Missouri was not the only place such crimes were being perpetrated by the Union on northerners and southerners alike. "General Philip Sheridan unleashed a hundred mile swath of flames in the Shenandoah Valley that left vast numbers of civilians tottering towards starvation." (With Winter right around the corner, no less, in their Jayhawk type total war standard.) That's also criminal. (See: Shenandoah Burning: the War of Northern Aggression 's Worst Forgotten Atrocity. - Obviously, the author completely forgot about what Missourians suffered.)
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/10/james-bovard/shenandoah-burning/ And, let's not forget the 50,000 plus dead, southern citizens mostly women, children, and non-combatants . That's criminal, too, in anybody's book.
Such tactics mirrored those utilized in the Border War by Border Ruffians on both sides, the Jawhawks and the Redlegs, and the Partisan Rangers/Bushwhackers - take that to the bank. The only big difference from their battles and those the Union soldiers fought elsewhere was that No Quarter was given by either side in Missouri, other than some verified exceptions, nd they were probably more than one might imagine.
So, the fact of the matter is, murder is murder. Yep, that's right, but the problem here is that Southerners, most especially the pro-southern Missourians, have always been demonized right up to this day. You know it, I know it, and everybody and their brother who knows anything at all about this history knows it, too. This while the Jayhawks, Redlegs, Lincoln, Grant, Sherman, Sheridan, and yes, the murderer John Brown to a large extent, are hailed as heroes throughout history. So, now, we have heroes and murderers, instead of murderers and murderers. Sweet little package, huh? Yeah, right.
When I was a kid, Hollywood was making movies, hand over fist, that painted both northerners and southerners alike as decent individuals, with the bad mingled in on both sides - that is as good as it will ever get as I see it. And, yes, Jesse James, the Youngers, and their kind were painted as heroes...yep, everyone wanted a hero, and they got it...soldiers and civilians on both sides had an abundance of heroes, and people north, south, east, and west got along great. Until the Commies, progressives and their kind took over. Now the southerners and their heritage are being demonized again by Hollywood and the Lincoln Cultists, Progressives, communists/Commies/Facsists/and Nazis (ANTIFA for one certifiable NAZI group), and now only the north has heroes. But wait! Our Union is being demonized by them, too... that's right, the chickens have come home to roost...for real. And, people like you cannot even give an inch on your view of this war, so that other people might learn from the older generation.
Yes, back in that day and time of the C*vil W*r/War of Northern Aggression, and immediately thereafter, Jesse James, the Youngers, Quantrill and his raiders were heroes to the vast majority of the southern people, and yes, Edwards and his writings made them a hero to much of our northern and western populace as well. And, yes, that same status is still given to them today by more people than you and I can imagine - you can bank on that, too. So, you know what, Dale? There just might be more truth about this subject than meets the eye, other than simplistic, negative remarks.
Your GB Buddy, James.0 -
American soldiers committed many more war crimes on Germans than the Germans did but ya know why that was OK?
We won. Winners don't get charged with war crimes only losers.
Do you think if the south won the war it would have been different?
Its all wrong, all insane but if you want to avoid war crimes don't go to war or if you do win0 -
quote:Originally posted by Wulfmann
American soldiers committed many more war crimes on Germans than the Germans did but ya know why that was OK?
We won. Winners don't get charged with war crimes only losers.
Do you think if the south won the war it would have been different?
Its all wrong, all insane but if you want to avoid war crimes don't go to war or if you do win
Winning does not vindicate criminals, but I do get your point. I don't think that we can expect more, and certainly, not less, than the truth of the matter. And in the case of the C*vil W*r/War of Northern Aggression, at a minimum, one side is just as dirty as the other where criminals/murderers/or heroes are concerned...or justified in their actions...however, one wants to cut it. And that's being generous to the Union. So, it's best to have mature discussions on this very matter, rather than simplistic, negative responses.0 -
Mine was not simplistic negative response.
Mine was a simplistic realistic response.
There is a big difference0 -
quote:Originally posted by Wulfmann
Mine was not simplistic negative response.
Mine was a simplistic realistic response.
There is a big difference
I hope that is not how others perceive my response to you, as I totally agree with the points that you made.
Added: With the exception of those created by the Germans against other European citizens, especially against the Jewish people.0 -
quote:Originally posted by kimi
Added: With the exception of those created by the Germans against other European citizens, especially against the Jewish people.
I should have noted I was referring to the German military engaged in combat operations and not the Nazi political persecutions which are some of the most horrific acts committed by any group0 -
quote:Originally posted by Wulfmann
quote:Originally posted by kimi
Added: With the exception of those created by the Germans against other European citizens, especially against the Jewish people.
I should have noted I was referring to the German military engaged in combat operations and not the Nazi political persecutions which are some of the most horrific acts committed by any group
We both could have been much more specific, however, the points having to do with my first post of the day to Dale, and the gist of our comments to this end was not lost on the astute reader.0 -
I have always thought of war as organized insanity with almost ridiculous rules.
We are going to fire bomb your cities, incinerate your woman and children, drop depth charges on survivors (BO Bismarck Sea) and gladly murder you without rhyme or reason but under no circumstances will racial slurs be allowed by any combatant.
We are, after all civilized
I have often wondered if declaring war should mean there are no rules of any kind like the Mongols,
If we are only held accountable by losing does that even begin to make any sense?
It is interesting that some of the worst treatment of POWs by Americans was during the unsivel war against, Americans0 -
quote:Originally posted by Wulfmann
I have always thought of war as organized insanity with almost ridiculous rules.
We are going to fire bomb your cities, incinerate your woman and children, drop depth charges on survivors (BO Bismarck Sea) and gladly murder you without rhyme or reason but under no circumstances will racial slurs be allowed by any combatant.
We are, after all civilized
I have often wondered if declaring war should mean there are no rules of any kind like the Mongols,
If we are only held accountable by losing does that even begin to make any sense?
It is interesting that some of the worst treatment of POWs by Americans was during the unsivel war against, Americans
Yep, and the treatment of POWs during the unc*vil war needs to be more "balanced" as well. For example, it is known that the Confederate commander of Andersonville requested that there be a prisoner exchange, because his camp was so overcrowded and that he did not have the provisions to feed them adequately, and he did not want to see more suffering in the ranks of the Union prisoners, yet the north refused his request, as I recall. And, for all of his humanity, he was hung, if I recall correctly, as a war criminal. Really, who should have been hung, instead?0
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