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asop
I heard when they're "thinned" out in an area they just have larger liters to "fill in" for the ones culled. Truth or fiction? Thanks
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  • longspur rider
    What matters is food supply.
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  • remingtonoaks
    quote:Originally posted by longspur rider
    What matters is food supply.


    ^^^this. But if the competition has been thinned out for their food source in the area, then your answer is true, they will have larger litters
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  • WMClark
    Me and a few of the neighbors have been thinning the packs for a couple of years now. Little buzzards were getting brave and even managed to kill one of my neighbors Red Healer's. This spring I found a den in a culvert up the road. Six pup and a mama. Two rounds of 00 buck and seven more were gone. It's getting rare to hear them at night anymore. We've got a couple of idiots from California in the valley who have been feeding the little buzzards. As for their food supply increasing, we have seen an increase of Golden Eagles and Red Tail hawks in the valley keeping the cotton tail population down.
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  • Grasshopper
    Lot's of cover here and can't keep them down. They have started taking calves now. Farmer/ rancher guy bought a complete night scope/ rifle outfit from my FFL. Said I will kill them and stay up all night doing it. He lost 4 week old calves and he was pissed.They are THICK around here in southern, Illinois.
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  • Wild Turkey
    Don't know if the litters would be larger, but more food means more pups survive.

    In the Texas Panhandle back in the '60's they were hunted with dogs for their pelts.

    Bagged a couple with my .22 while plowing.[:D]
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  • asphalt cowboy
    It's not that they whelp larger litters, but the pup mortality rate will either increase or decrease. When overpopulated the increased demand on the food source brings on starvation. They are also more susceptible to disease when weakened by reduced food supplies.
    In times of plenty when the population is low both the pups and adults are better fed and healthier which increases the pups chances of survival to adulthood.
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  • buddyb
    Don't know if its accurate,but I heard heartworms are thinning the coyotes around here.
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  • spasmcreek
    back in the 1960's one skinned the ears off a coyote one had shot and took them to the County Clerk where she paid a bounty... $2.50 ??? i think and i noticed she dumped them in her trash can EEEUUUU...years later i thought i should have been checking the court house trash in the evening and recycling those ears
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  • remingtonoaks
    quote:Originally posted by spasmcreek
    back in the 1960's one skinned the ears off a coyote one had shot and took them to the County Clerk where she paid a bounty... $2.50 ??? i think and i noticed she dumped them in her trash can EEEUUUU...years later i thought i should have been checking the court house trash in the evening and recycling those ears


    Here in Utah there still is a bounty off $50 a dog. At about 15 years ago they had a problem with some young kids going around digging through the dumpsters to get the the ears. Now they alleviated that by having you Bring in the whole Dog, they brand it so that it can't be cashed in again, and you have to dispose of the dog yourself.
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  • Laredo Lefty
    Large or small litters, I have done my best over the years to lower their numbers with my .223.
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  • Mobuck
    Informed conservation dudes have told me I have to remove 60-65% of the coyotes in an area EVERY YEAR to make any significant difference in the population. I don't think this takes into account the yoties that move into the area from outside.
    Considering these numbers, it's basically IMPOSSIBLE to reduce the population by legal hunting/trapping practices.
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  • guns-n-painthorses
    I love the little buzzards. They are tough, smart, and true survivors. No matter how hard man has tried to get rid of them, they survive. They come up close to our place, they are hell on the barn cats, but we don't shoot them here. And as far as I know, no clubs hunt around here anymore either. So, we have about the same number as we had 28 years ago when we first moved here. I think nature helps keep them in check more than man does.
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  • Mobuck
    " but we don't shoot them here. And as far as I know, no clubs hunt around here anymore either. So, we have about the same number as we had 28 years ago when we first moved here. I think nature helps keep them in check more than man does."

    I heard a similar comment from a semi-local sheep producer about 30 years ago. His theory was a local family group kept migrant coyotes away from the area. Seemed to working quite well for him until a couple of "low rabbit" years when the "local family group" cleaned out his lamb crop.
    My experience is/was different. We lost 1-2 calves every year to coyotes. If I hadn't shot (or shot at) every coyote I saw and kept them spooked, no telling what our losses would have been.
    Right now we have $3000 worth of guard dogs in the goat pastures protecting $30K in livestock. That's darned expensive but absolutely essential. We(and I mean everyone)carry rifles 24/7 and shoot at coyotes year round. On my place we trap, call, use dogs, whatever it takes to make a dent in the numbers.
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  • Aztngundoc22
    OK :

    They have been 'thick' in Southern Illinois for a long time , back ( 17 years ago before I moved away from Illinazi ) :

    Grasshopper : where You @ in So. ILL. ??? I grew up in the big city of "Energy" ???

    Thanks !!!
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  • Grasshopper
    quote:Originally posted by Aztngundoc22
    OK :

    They have been 'thick' in Southern Illinois for a long time , back ( 17 years ago before I moved away from Illinazi ) :

    Grasshopper : where You @ in So. ILL. ??? I grew up in the big city of "Energy" ???

    Thanks !!!


    Ohh yea, I am north of Energy, close to Mt. Vernon about 4 miles in the village of Woodlawn. I have a small parcel of land in Iuka where we have deer camp and they are bad, very bad there. I can go outside at night in Woodlawn and hear them yapping about any night in several directions.
    Great job leaving this state, I have grandkids here ect. but still thinking of leaving in a few years when they get older.
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  • buckgloves
    This might be a wild theory.

    My brother and I stopped killing them here in east Texas.

    Maybe they will increase and eat some pigs.

    We have not heard of any livestock killed by the yotes.

    We have seen some very unhealthy yote pups with no hair
    and starving. I found one dead.
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  • spasmcreek
    southwest of our lake place i saw 4 big Pyrennes in a pasture with sheep..they were left there to guard..guess they stayed OK , never saw anything other than an empty pickup parked there with all
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  • Aztngundoc22
    OK :

    Yes Grasshopper : I know where You are @ : while as a kid my Uncle Joe would take me up to that area rabbit hunting on a regular basis : He always stopped @ the 'made-right' for lunch : Lots of great memories there !

    I moved away apx. 21-22 years ago , made a stop (4 years) in AZ. , bought property there & then moved here to S.E. TN , I really like it here : Have only been back to Illininazi a few times : My parents still live in Energy : They will never leave ???

    Thanks !!!
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  • 44pinshooter
    Coyotes somehow know what the year ahead looks like and will have litters accordingly. Good food supply, more pups, lees food, less pups.
    You can hunt them hard, get the population down some, but they will rebond back quickly.
    A few years ago, had 3 packs around our place. Called them the North, South and East. Was neat to listen to them sing to each other from 3 different directions.
    They were rough on my kid's ducks and the barn cats. I went after them hard. On time I got a big male and a female. So far the only time I've ever gotten a double. Got another male a little later, then younger son got 2 running behind the barn. After that, there was no singing coming from the south for about a year. Now, there is singing from all 3 areas.
    Soon as deer season is over, will go back at hitting them again.
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  • grumpygy
    quote:Originally posted by buckgloves
    This might be a wild theory.

    My brother and I stopped killing them here in east Texas.

    Maybe they will increase and eat some pigs.

    We have not heard of any livestock killed by the yotes.

    We have seen some very unhealthy yote pups with no hair
    and starving. I found one dead.


    Kill Pigs are you kidding it probably the other way around.
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  • Oakie
    Our yotes, move with the food source. When the deer move , the yotes follow them. During the early fall, when turkeys and deer are in my hunting woods, there are a ton of yotes.This is because of the acorn crop and standing feed corn,soy beans ect. Later in the winter, they move about eight miles down the road, where the cover is thicker and there is more browse. I know that isn't far, but around here it is. Oak
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