Tenn Death Row Inmate "Felt Pain"
Who cares? Not me.
Billy Ray Irick felt searing pain akin to torture before he died in a Tennessee prison in August, but steps taken before his execution blocked signs of suffering, according to a doctor who reviewed information about the lethal injection.
Dr. David Lubarsky's statement is included in a new court filing entered late Thursday amid an ongoing legal challenge of Tennessee?s lethal injection protocol. He wrote that Irick ?experienced the feeling of choking, drowning in his own fluids, suffocating, being buried alive, and the burning sensation caused by the injection of the potassium chloride.?
The documents also state Tennessee failed to follow its own protocol during Irick's execution, raising questions about whether executioners ever intended to ensure Irick was unable to feel the pain caused by the second and third lethal injection drugs.
Irick and 32 other death row inmates sued the state this year arguing that Tennessee?s new protocol for lethal injections would subject them to pain so intense it would violate the U.S. Constitution. They questioned the use of midazolam, the first of the three drugs the state administers during executions.
Lubarsky, a Florida doctor, testified for the inmates during a two-week trial in July. He said midazolam, which is supposed to render inmates unconscious and unable to feel pain, doesn?t work as intended. He said midazolam sedates inmates but does not stop them from feeling the effects of the other two drugs, vecuronium bromide and potassium chloride.
Lubarsky said statements from people who witnessed Irick's execution indicated the midazolam failed to ensure Irick could not feel pain during his death.
Lubarsky and other medical experts are the backbone for the inmate's appeal. The case is not about whether the death penalty is constitutional, attorneys for the death row offenders wrote in the 390-word brief. It's about what the deadly drugs do to a body, and whether Tennessee citizens should approve of that likely tortuous outcome.
"This case is about whether it is constitutional to inject a human with a small bottle of acid ? which will destroy the lining of their lungs and cause them to drown in blood ? and then to inject them with a paralytic that will leave them conscious but expressionless ? unable to speak or scream ? feeling as if they are buried alive, and finally to stop their heart with an injection that will, in their last minute of life, cause them to chemically burn alive," wrote Kelley Henry and other federal public defenders working on behalf of the death row inmates.
Davidson County Chancery Court Judge Ellen Hobbs Lyle agreed Lubarsky and other experts were well qualified, but she rejected their arguments in ruling against the inmates.
Lyle said whatever pain the inmates felt did not last long enough to count as unconstitutional torture, a stance blasted by U.S. Supreme Court Justice Sonya Sotomayor in an opinion issued hours before Irick's death.
The remaining death row offenders continue to pursue their appeal of Lyle's ruling even though no court stopped Irick's execution.
The Tennessee Department of Correction, represented by the Office of the Tennessee Attorney General, argued it is following the law and using drugs available to carry out the required punishment for death row offenders. Department officials noted during trial that the U.S. Supreme Court previously allowed executions using midazolam to proceed, arguing the usage is now case law.
In the latest filing though, Henry and the other attorneys argue that case law is not settled. They point to new and more expansive medical evidence, presented to Lyle during the trial, that has never been considered by the full Supreme Court.
They also blast the state's arguments in the new filing, writing: "Defendants? repeated mantra, barely acceptable from a teenager, is that ? 'all the other states are doing it, so it must be ok.'"
Department spokeswoman Neysa Taylor declined to comment, citing the ongoing litigation.
Executioners never prepared second dose of midazolam, records show
The protocol for how the state puts an inmate to death is very specific.
It requires the state prepare primary and back-up syringes for each of the drugs used in the lethal injection.
However, documents obtained by the inmates' attorneys show executioners did not prepare a back-up dose of midazolam. The report says executioners only prepared the one dose of midazolam used at 7:28 p.m., essentially the same time Irick's execution began.
The protocol requires the executioner to inject the midazolam into a tube that runs into the condemn's arm. After some time, the warden ? who is in the execution chamber ? is required to check to see if the condemned is conscious.
If the condemned is not conscious, the state protocol requires injecting a second dose of midazolam.
Riverbend Maximum Security Institute Warden Tony Mays conducted the consciousness check: He brushed Irick's eyelids, yelled his first name twice and appeared to grab his shoulder. If he had determined Irick was conscious though, it's unclear if the state could have or would have prepared another midazolam syringe.
"If Mr. Irick had responded to the consciousness assessment or there had been problems with the IV apparatus, the execution team would not have been prepared to carry out the contingency procedures in the manual," Henry and the attorneys write.
"Defendants? failure to follow the procedures in the manual indicates that the protocol is meaningless for purposes of Defendants? carrying out an execution and therefore creates a substantial risk of severe pain and suffering for Plaintiffs," the document says.
Taping Irick's hands hid signs of pain, expert says
Throughout his statement, Lubarsky said witness statements from Irick?s execution supported the inmates? legal arguments. Lubarsky said he was convinced ?to a reasonable degree of medical certainty? that Irick was not properly anesthetized during his execution. Any inmate not properly rendered unconscious and insensate would feel the ?torturous effects of the lethal injection process,? Lubarsky said.
Witnesses described Irick choking, snoring, gulping and gasping for air as the drugs were administered. They also said he jolted and appeared to push against the restraints at one point.
Lubarsky noted that Irick?s hands were taped to the gurney during the execution. His fingers were wrapped with a tape-like substance that prevented movement and limited visibility of the majority of his hands.
Lubarksy said the tape blocked prison officials from seeing important signs that Irick was aware of his surroundings throughout the execution.
?A trained observer knows that if a patient moves his fingers or hands that is a clear indicator that they are not anesthetized,? Lubarsky wrote. ?The taping of Mr. Irick?s hands affirmatively prevented the Warden from observing an important indicator that Mr. Irick was not anesthetized.?
Tennessee courts denied all of Irick's legal requests and appear poised to do the same ahead of the state's next execution.
The Tennessee Supreme Court recently evoked a rare legal move to set the schedule for the lethal injection challenge within the Court of Appeals. The schedule is condensed, leaving far less time for attorneys to prepare their case compared toa typical appeal.
State Supreme Court Justice Sharon Lee admonished her colleagues after they set the schedule, calling it a "rocket docket" that jeopardized inmates' chances for a fair trial.
In the new filing, attorneys ask the court to delay the appellate process.
Edmund Zagorksi, 63, is scheduled for execution on Oct. 11. He was convicted in 1984 of robbing and shooting John Dotson, of Hickman County, and Jimmy Porter, of Dickson, before slitting their throats, according to Tennessean archives.
Billy Ray Irick felt searing pain akin to torture before he died in a Tennessee prison in August, but steps taken before his execution blocked signs of suffering, according to a doctor who reviewed information about the lethal injection.
Dr. David Lubarsky's statement is included in a new court filing entered late Thursday amid an ongoing legal challenge of Tennessee?s lethal injection protocol. He wrote that Irick ?experienced the feeling of choking, drowning in his own fluids, suffocating, being buried alive, and the burning sensation caused by the injection of the potassium chloride.?
The documents also state Tennessee failed to follow its own protocol during Irick's execution, raising questions about whether executioners ever intended to ensure Irick was unable to feel the pain caused by the second and third lethal injection drugs.
Irick and 32 other death row inmates sued the state this year arguing that Tennessee?s new protocol for lethal injections would subject them to pain so intense it would violate the U.S. Constitution. They questioned the use of midazolam, the first of the three drugs the state administers during executions.
Lubarsky, a Florida doctor, testified for the inmates during a two-week trial in July. He said midazolam, which is supposed to render inmates unconscious and unable to feel pain, doesn?t work as intended. He said midazolam sedates inmates but does not stop them from feeling the effects of the other two drugs, vecuronium bromide and potassium chloride.
Lubarsky said statements from people who witnessed Irick's execution indicated the midazolam failed to ensure Irick could not feel pain during his death.
Lubarsky and other medical experts are the backbone for the inmate's appeal. The case is not about whether the death penalty is constitutional, attorneys for the death row offenders wrote in the 390-word brief. It's about what the deadly drugs do to a body, and whether Tennessee citizens should approve of that likely tortuous outcome.
"This case is about whether it is constitutional to inject a human with a small bottle of acid ? which will destroy the lining of their lungs and cause them to drown in blood ? and then to inject them with a paralytic that will leave them conscious but expressionless ? unable to speak or scream ? feeling as if they are buried alive, and finally to stop their heart with an injection that will, in their last minute of life, cause them to chemically burn alive," wrote Kelley Henry and other federal public defenders working on behalf of the death row inmates.
Davidson County Chancery Court Judge Ellen Hobbs Lyle agreed Lubarsky and other experts were well qualified, but she rejected their arguments in ruling against the inmates.
Lyle said whatever pain the inmates felt did not last long enough to count as unconstitutional torture, a stance blasted by U.S. Supreme Court Justice Sonya Sotomayor in an opinion issued hours before Irick's death.
The remaining death row offenders continue to pursue their appeal of Lyle's ruling even though no court stopped Irick's execution.
The Tennessee Department of Correction, represented by the Office of the Tennessee Attorney General, argued it is following the law and using drugs available to carry out the required punishment for death row offenders. Department officials noted during trial that the U.S. Supreme Court previously allowed executions using midazolam to proceed, arguing the usage is now case law.
In the latest filing though, Henry and the other attorneys argue that case law is not settled. They point to new and more expansive medical evidence, presented to Lyle during the trial, that has never been considered by the full Supreme Court.
They also blast the state's arguments in the new filing, writing: "Defendants? repeated mantra, barely acceptable from a teenager, is that ? 'all the other states are doing it, so it must be ok.'"
Department spokeswoman Neysa Taylor declined to comment, citing the ongoing litigation.
Executioners never prepared second dose of midazolam, records show
The protocol for how the state puts an inmate to death is very specific.
It requires the state prepare primary and back-up syringes for each of the drugs used in the lethal injection.
However, documents obtained by the inmates' attorneys show executioners did not prepare a back-up dose of midazolam. The report says executioners only prepared the one dose of midazolam used at 7:28 p.m., essentially the same time Irick's execution began.
The protocol requires the executioner to inject the midazolam into a tube that runs into the condemn's arm. After some time, the warden ? who is in the execution chamber ? is required to check to see if the condemned is conscious.
If the condemned is not conscious, the state protocol requires injecting a second dose of midazolam.
Riverbend Maximum Security Institute Warden Tony Mays conducted the consciousness check: He brushed Irick's eyelids, yelled his first name twice and appeared to grab his shoulder. If he had determined Irick was conscious though, it's unclear if the state could have or would have prepared another midazolam syringe.
"If Mr. Irick had responded to the consciousness assessment or there had been problems with the IV apparatus, the execution team would not have been prepared to carry out the contingency procedures in the manual," Henry and the attorneys write.
"Defendants? failure to follow the procedures in the manual indicates that the protocol is meaningless for purposes of Defendants? carrying out an execution and therefore creates a substantial risk of severe pain and suffering for Plaintiffs," the document says.
Taping Irick's hands hid signs of pain, expert says
Throughout his statement, Lubarsky said witness statements from Irick?s execution supported the inmates? legal arguments. Lubarsky said he was convinced ?to a reasonable degree of medical certainty? that Irick was not properly anesthetized during his execution. Any inmate not properly rendered unconscious and insensate would feel the ?torturous effects of the lethal injection process,? Lubarsky said.
Witnesses described Irick choking, snoring, gulping and gasping for air as the drugs were administered. They also said he jolted and appeared to push against the restraints at one point.
Lubarsky noted that Irick?s hands were taped to the gurney during the execution. His fingers were wrapped with a tape-like substance that prevented movement and limited visibility of the majority of his hands.
Lubarksy said the tape blocked prison officials from seeing important signs that Irick was aware of his surroundings throughout the execution.
?A trained observer knows that if a patient moves his fingers or hands that is a clear indicator that they are not anesthetized,? Lubarsky wrote. ?The taping of Mr. Irick?s hands affirmatively prevented the Warden from observing an important indicator that Mr. Irick was not anesthetized.?
Tennessee courts denied all of Irick's legal requests and appear poised to do the same ahead of the state's next execution.
The Tennessee Supreme Court recently evoked a rare legal move to set the schedule for the lethal injection challenge within the Court of Appeals. The schedule is condensed, leaving far less time for attorneys to prepare their case compared toa typical appeal.
State Supreme Court Justice Sharon Lee admonished her colleagues after they set the schedule, calling it a "rocket docket" that jeopardized inmates' chances for a fair trial.
In the new filing, attorneys ask the court to delay the appellate process.
Edmund Zagorksi, 63, is scheduled for execution on Oct. 11. He was convicted in 1984 of robbing and shooting John Dotson, of Hickman County, and Jimmy Porter, of Dickson, before slitting their throats, according to Tennessean archives.
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I will agree to stop all executions when, under oath on a Bible, with the full penalties of perjury being explained, Billy Ray Irick testifies, in a United States of America Court of Law he felt pain while being executed.
Testimony while his testicles fry in a cast iron skillet on hell's fire is not admissible testimony during this proceeding.0 -
I could care less if he felt pain- And I could care less what their "last meal" is. ! 0 -
I have no craps to give about this subject.
So what.......comes to mind.0 -
Oh Boo Hoo.
I hope he did experience pain, the feelings of being buried alive, suffocating, etc. etc.
He deserved every bit of it. It's too bad the Male members of the family could not have had 15-20 minutes with him, (in private) prior to his execution.
They really expect us to feel sorry for him? He should have got a .22 behind the ear years ago, when he was found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, and his appeal failed as well.
Bye bye Mofo. Enjoy your afterlife.
No sympathy here.0 -
I think they should stop these inhumane practices and bring back the Guillotine; problem solved, except for the messy cleanup issue! 0 -
Just maybe he felt hell before he went. Good. 0 -
While I don't personally care whether they felt any pain or not, I DO wish that a uniform method of execution could be agreed upon that could be certified 'humane' per se.
Until, and unless this occurs, there will be constant Constitutional challenges made against the death penalty, and I for one would hate to see it made illegal nationwide one day because of something fairly simple.
Yea, I know,....throw them in a wood chipper with dull blades, running on slow speed. Fine with me if it can be assured that the condemned is guilty, but half or more of the population gets queasy if they think another person suffered. Just saying,....take their ammo away from them by using a certifiably humane method, and still get the end result that is desired.0 -
In the new filing, attorneys ask the court to delay the appellate process.
Edmund Zagorksi, 63, is scheduled for execution on Oct. 11. He was convicted in 1984 of robbing and shooting John Dotson, of Hickman County, and Jimmy Porter, of Dickson, before slitting their throats, according to Tennessean archives.
Thirty-four years. That bothers me a LOT more than how he dies.0 -
as a lot of you I have had surgery's done when they give me a shot to knock me out . I would have no idea what happens a few seconds later another shot to stop my heart ( I have been on a heat lung machine so they did stop my heart ) I and no one else would feel it happening
I know drug company's refuse to sell drugs for that purpose but I would bet dollars to doughnuts another country would willing sell what ever drugs we wanted ,
JMHO the whiners / liberals may have a different view if there family member was the one tortured raped dismembered abused by the POS about to die
if so they can sign off to pay the cost to keep the POS in jail untill he dies out of there own pocket see how many sign up0 -
Lubarsky, a Florida doctor...Medical Doctor? Dr of pharmacology? PHD in English Literature?
Bullet to the head is immediate...automated rifle...laser targeting...of sufficient caliber to remove everything at the brain stem and up. If they are worried about pain, then sedate and shoot.0 -
There is NO reason the government can't come up with the desired effect (drug) other than they are the problem. Hell, give them to much insulin and their heart will stop in a second. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by shilowar
Lubarsky, a Florida doctor...Medical Doctor? Dr of pharmacology? PHD in English Literature?
Bullet to the head is immediate...automated rifle...laser targeting...of sufficient caliber to remove everything at the brain stem and up. If they are worried about pain, then sedate and shoot.
MD Anesthesiology,.....Miami.0 -
Why should I care what they felt. They didn't care what their victims felt 0 -
WHO CARES for sure DEATH ROW Duh!
quote:Originally posted by Rack Ops
Who cares? Not me.
Billy Ray Irick felt searing pain akin to torture before he died in a Tennessee prison in August, but steps taken before his execution blocked signs of suffering, according to a doctor who reviewed information about the lethal injection.
Dr. David Lubarsky's statement is included in a new court filing entered late Thursday amid an ongoing legal challenge of Tennessee?s lethal injection protocol. He wrote that Irick ?experienced the feeling of choking, drowning in his own fluids, suffocating, being buried alive, and the burning sensation caused by the injection of the potassium chloride.?
The documents also state Tennessee failed to follow its own protocol during Irick's execution, raising questions about whether executioners ever intended to ensure Irick was unable to feel the pain caused by the second and third lethal injection drugs.
Irick and 32 other death row inmates sued the state this year arguing that Tennessee?s new protocol for lethal injections would subject them to pain so intense it would violate the U.S. Constitution. They questioned the use of midazolam, the first of the three drugs the state administers during executions.
Lubarsky, a Florida doctor, testified for the inmates during a two-week trial in July. He said midazolam, which is supposed to render inmates unconscious and unable to feel pain, doesn?t work as intended. He said midazolam sedates inmates but does not stop them from feeling the effects of the other two drugs, vecuronium bromide and potassium chloride.
Lubarsky said statements from people who witnessed Irick's execution indicated the midazolam failed to ensure Irick could not feel pain during his death.
Lubarsky and other medical experts are the backbone for the inmate's appeal. The case is not about whether the death penalty is constitutional, attorneys for the death row offenders wrote in the 390-word brief. It's about what the deadly drugs do to a body, and whether Tennessee citizens should approve of that likely tortuous outcome.
"This case is about whether it is constitutional to inject a human with a small bottle of acid ? which will destroy the lining of their lungs and cause them to drown in blood ? and then to inject them with a paralytic that will leave them conscious but expressionless ? unable to speak or scream ? feeling as if they are buried alive, and finally to stop their heart with an injection that will, in their last minute of life, cause them to chemically burn alive," wrote Kelley Henry and other federal public defenders working on behalf of the death row inmates.
Davidson County Chancery Court Judge Ellen Hobbs Lyle agreed Lubarsky and other experts were well qualified, but she rejected their arguments in ruling against the inmates.
Lyle said whatever pain the inmates felt did not last long enough to count as unconstitutional torture, a stance blasted by U.S. Supreme Court Justice Sonya Sotomayor in an opinion issued hours before Irick's death.
The remaining death row offenders continue to pursue their appeal of Lyle's ruling even though no court stopped Irick's execution.
The Tennessee Department of Correction, represented by the Office of the Tennessee Attorney General, argued it is following the law and using drugs available to carry out the required punishment for death row offenders. Department officials noted during trial that the U.S. Supreme Court previously allowed executions using midazolam to proceed, arguing the usage is now case law.
In the latest filing though, Henry and the other attorneys argue that case law is not settled. They point to new and more expansive medical evidence, presented to Lyle during the trial, that has never been considered by the full Supreme Court.
They also blast the state's arguments in the new filing, writing: "Defendants? repeated mantra, barely acceptable from a teenager, is that ? 'all the other states are doing it, so it must be ok.'"
Department spokeswoman Neysa Taylor declined to comment, citing the ongoing litigation.
Executioners never prepared second dose of midazolam, records show
The protocol for how the state puts an inmate to death is very specific.
It requires the state prepare primary and back-up syringes for each of the drugs used in the lethal injection.
However, documents obtained by the inmates' attorneys show executioners did not prepare a back-up dose of midazolam. The report says executioners only prepared the one dose of midazolam used at 7:28 p.m., essentially the same time Irick's execution began.
The protocol requires the executioner to inject the midazolam into a tube that runs into the condemn's arm. After some time, the warden ? who is in the execution chamber ? is required to check to see if the condemned is conscious.
If the condemned is not conscious, the state protocol requires injecting a second dose of midazolam.
Riverbend Maximum Security Institute Warden Tony Mays conducted the consciousness check: He brushed Irick's eyelids, yelled his first name twice and appeared to grab his shoulder. If he had determined Irick was conscious though, it's unclear if the state could have or would have prepared another midazolam syringe.
"If Mr. Irick had responded to the consciousness assessment or there had been problems with the IV apparatus, the execution team would not have been prepared to carry out the contingency procedures in the manual," Henry and the attorneys write.
"Defendants? failure to follow the procedures in the manual indicates that the protocol is meaningless for purposes of Defendants? carrying out an execution and therefore creates a substantial risk of severe pain and suffering for Plaintiffs," the document says.
Taping Irick's hands hid signs of pain, expert says
Throughout his statement, Lubarsky said witness statements from Irick?s execution supported the inmates? legal arguments. Lubarsky said he was convinced ?to a reasonable degree of medical certainty? that Irick was not properly anesthetized during his execution. Any inmate not properly rendered unconscious and insensate would feel the ?torturous effects of the lethal injection process,? Lubarsky said.
Witnesses described Irick choking, snoring, gulping and gasping for air as the drugs were administered. They also said he jolted and appeared to push against the restraints at one point.
Lubarsky noted that Irick?s hands were taped to the gurney during the execution. His fingers were wrapped with a tape-like substance that prevented movement and limited visibility of the majority of his hands.
Lubarksy said the tape blocked prison officials from seeing important signs that Irick was aware of his surroundings throughout the execution.
?A trained observer knows that if a patient moves his fingers or hands that is a clear indicator that they are not anesthetized,? Lubarsky wrote. ?The taping of Mr. Irick?s hands affirmatively prevented the Warden from observing an important indicator that Mr. Irick was not anesthetized.?
Tennessee courts denied all of Irick's legal requests and appear poised to do the same ahead of the state's next execution.
The Tennessee Supreme Court recently evoked a rare legal move to set the schedule for the lethal injection challenge within the Court of Appeals. The schedule is condensed, leaving far less time for attorneys to prepare their case compared toa typical appeal.
State Supreme Court Justice Sharon Lee admonished her colleagues after they set the schedule, calling it a "rocket docket" that jeopardized inmates' chances for a fair trial.
In the new filing, attorneys ask the court to delay the appellate process.
Edmund Zagorksi, 63, is scheduled for execution on Oct. 11. He was convicted in 1984 of robbing and shooting John Dotson, of Hickman County, and Jimmy Porter, of Dickson, before slitting their throats, according to Tennessean archives.0 -
My wife felt pain, a severe burning in the wrist and arm when infused with potassium chloride during a recent hospital stay. It was necessary due to low potassium levels. She dealt with it. 0 -
If it's such a big deal couldn't we just give anesteshia to knock them unconscious and then put them in a room and lower the O2 level?
Course I'm fine with a 22lr or rope and tall tree as well.0 -
Gee, I wonder if his victim(s) felt any pain? I still say the proper method of execution is to do to the killer what he did to his victim(s). 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Marc1301
quote:Originally posted by shilowar
Lubarsky, a Florida doctor...Medical Doctor? Dr of pharmacology? PHD in English Literature?
Bullet to the head is immediate...automated rifle...laser targeting...of sufficient caliber to remove everything at the brain stem and up. If they are worried about pain, then sedate and shoot.
MD Anesthesiology,.....Miami.
Atleast the anti's used someone legitimately trained.
Did anyone ask Irick if he felt anything before death? Hmmmmm.0 -
anyone give a CHIT about the victims pain..caused by the perp ?????????????????????????? many SIMPLE ways to off a vicious criminal but seems everyone is concerned their death may not be a pleasant experience...SCREW EM..... 0 -
quote:Originally posted by truthful
Gee, I wonder if his victim(s) felt any pain? I still say the proper method of execution is to do to the killer what he did to his victim(s).
You would need to have the Eight Amendment stricken from the US Constitution in order for that to happen.0 -
It?s all about snouts in the financial trough[xx(] 0 -
Bring back the guillotine, suppose to be the most humane method of execution. 0 -
I have to agree with some of the thoughts expressed above. I had double cataract surgery, one in July and the other in August. Both times they strapped my headed down at an awkward angle and worked on my eyes. My arms were tucked in so that I could not move them which would usually set me to taking a swing at whoever was doing it to me. I could have cared less through the entire procedures both times.
It seems if they could zone me out enough to cut on my eyeballs and not go ballistic, they can surely come up with a cocktail of drugs to move a convicted murderer through the death process....JMHO0 -
I have to agree with some of the thoughts expressed above. I had double cataract surgery, one in July and the other in August. Both times they strapped my headed down at an awkward angle and worked on my eyes. My arms were tucked in so that I could not move them which would usually set me to taking a swing at whoever was doing it to me. I could have cared less through the entire procedures both times.
It seems if they could zone me out enough to cut on my eyeballs and not go ballistic, they can surely come up with a cocktail of drugs to move a convicted murderer through the death process....JMHO0 -
I have to agree with some of the thoughts expressed above. I had double cataract surgery, one in July and the other in August. Both times they strapped my headed down at an awkward angle and worked on my eyes. My arms were tucked in so that I could not move them which would usually set me to taking a swing at whoever was doing it to me. I could have cared less through the entire procedures both times.
It seems if they could zone me out enough to cut on my eyeballs and not go ballistic, they can surely come up with a cocktail of drugs to move a convicted murderer through the death process....JMHO0 -
I could be mistaken and if I am it?s not the first time. I don?t think the U. S. Constitution addresses how executions are to be carried out. It doesn?t go deep into details about punishment. To my knowledge the Constitution says punishment can?t be ?cruel and unusual?. The use of words and their exact meaning in the Constitution is important. The Constitution doesn?t say cruel ?OR? unusual, it says cruel ?AND? unusual. So, according to the Constitution you have the choice of being cruel or being unusual, but not both when you carry out an execution. That used to be how the courts saw it. I don?t know when or why the courts drifted away from that interpretation.
We have no way of knowing if good ?ol Billy Ray suffered all the things the good doctor says he did, but for the sake of argument let?s say he did. Again for the sake of argument let?s call that unusual. Now, since Billy Ray and possibly others suffered these pains on their way to hell it?s no longer unusual. So now, assuming pain is cruel but not unusual, I don?t see a constitutional bar to this form of punishment.0 -
I am going to roll around all night worried about that buzzards feelings.
rain on him.0 -
Utah pretty much has it down.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_individuals_executed_in_Utah0 -
The simple solution? Use a bullet or rope, problem solved. 0 -
Put cyanide in their last meal to speed the process along. 0
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