Whats the point of meatless meat???
I fail to understand why someone that supposingly loves animals so much that they won't eat meat. Eats something that looks like meat tastes like meat (kinda) but is plant based...
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If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding! :)
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We do meatless burgers a few times a month. If for no other reason than to switch things up a bit. They come out great on the grill (big green egg).
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"How can you have any pudding, if you don't eat your meat?"
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I do enjoy meatless meals without having to imitate meat. What I choose to eat will not save our planet no matter what it is.
Just thankful that I have lived a life without ever having to worry about hunger!
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Love that group, KenK/84Bravo. I saw them twice in Indy and Roger 2 other times.
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There's a reason humans have "canine" teeth........think about it 😁 and I still have mine fully intact.
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FCD, you mean like "Baccoli"? The broccoli that's made from bacon.
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In many cases you have missed the point.
It is MARKETING, pure and simple marketing. Veggie burgers cost the Burger Chain less to make than meat burgers. Make a few pennies more per veggie burger and your overall Corporate profits soar.
There is no other reason to make veggies taste like beef; or for that matter make turkey taste like beef burgers other than the cost to produce the product.
Q.E.D.
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Especially when you charge MORE for the veggie burger.
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The main reason for "meatless meat" is more profit for the sellers.
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Brookwood: 31547074018715/comments/31547095664411
If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding! :)
You can't have the pudding if you don't eat your meat.
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“ ...Man does not live by bread alone...
A very old book.
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In primitive times, humans were hunter/gatherers. But what did that mean?
In those times, the men hunted. They were bigger, stronger, and could roam far from the home area to find game. Women gathered. They were tied to the homestead by their children, but could forage to gather edible plants and later plant gardens.
Today, remnants of that behavior are still prominent. Men leave the home to work, and engage in "hunting-like" activities like sports as well as actual hunting and fishing. Women shop, the modern equivalent of gathering. We have the common phrases "bringing home the bacon" which is the masculine job, and "keep the home fires burning" which is the feminine.
In my limited experience and observation, men tend to be the carnivores and women the vegetarians. It is yet another holdover from the days of Og. We both gravitate to the food source we brought to the cave.
Addendum: Those cave hunting men had to be silent to approach game. Women learned to talk constantly to ward off animals. Explain anything?
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People denying their natural instincts help make psychiatrists very rich! 🙂
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Soy boys UNITE............roflmfao
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it will become the new soylent green
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Cattle are the biggest cause of global warming because ruminants belch methane which is a more potent greenhouse gas than CO2.
Saturated fat is not the best thing for you and remains controversial as to its role in heart and artery disease. Organic grass fed beef is not as bad for you as feedlot beef but is much more expensive. Heart disease exploded right around the time they went to feedlots and some people believe cramming cattle with government subsidized corn and antibiotics is partly to blame for making their fat less healthy to consume.
Raising cattle in feedlots in order to make it affordable may be contributing heavily to antibiotic resistance.
The benefits of staying alkaline are being embraced by many.
Many plant proteins digest more quickly than beef or pork and may be less metabolically stressful. Metabolic stress is one of the biggest causes of premature aging. Caloric restriction can extend lifespan.
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allen griggs: 31547074018715/comments/31547109031579
I have a part time neighbor up here in the mountains. He usually lives in Miami where he owns a Mexican restaurant.
Chuck was up here in September, and he told me that he has quit eating meat. He told me that he has eaten a thousand steaks in his life, but eating meat contributes to climate change. [I am not making this up.]
Chuck said that he does not want to destroy the earth, that he wants to hand a vibrant and healthy earth over to his 23 year old son, so he won't eat any more meat.
And I asked him if he serves veggie burritos and tacos at his restaurant.
He said "No we still serve meat at the restaurant."
Meat definitely contributes to climate change.
Ruminant cattle like cows and sheep belch methane which is a more potent greenhouse gas than CO2 by about 20 times. I believe there's still enough fiber in government subsidized corn to cause significant belching.
Growing the corn and then feeding it to cattle so they could burn most of it away staying alive means you have to raise a lot more protein than you would if you just grew it and ate it. It's a high loss proposition made possible only by cheap fuel and government corn subsidies. The corn is grown, harvested, and shipped with copious amounts of diesel fuel. And all that cheap fuel being burned definitely turns into CO2.
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Mankind is meant to eat tubers. We are evolved to find and dig them up and cook them which makes many of them more edible and digestible and reduces antinutrients. Hunting or scavenging was done when possible. Some people report a reduction in depression and alcoholism when they switch their carb consumption away from grains and sugar to potatoes.
Scientists now think mankind has been cooking their food for much longer than formerly thought. They've found the remnants of cooking fires hundreds of thousands of years old. It is one reason humans don't need as large a gut and have more energy to fuel their larger minds than herbivores. They were able to find highly nutritive roots and render them edible by cooking. Gorillas and chimps OTOH spend most of their waking hours gathering and chewing raw plant foods because they have to, even though their brains consume far less fuel than ours.
Loren Cordain, the creator of the paleo diet, suggested that it is possible that gatherer ancestors of humans typically scavenged other predators' kills by using their ability to hold tools to break open the skulls and long thigh bones and eat the fatty brains and marrow inside. These food sources were lost to other predators because they cannot break the skull or long bones of many prey species. And the humans were already walking around looking for food.
Meat eating is definitely a strong advantage because of the healthful fatty acids that are rarely found in plants consumed by humans and the concentrated energy and protein content. Cattle can spend all day gathering and eating plants that we can't digest which have traces of Omega-3 fatty acids. Free range cattle are much less conducive to heart disease. However, it is definitely possible to survive without meat. It is reasonable to assume that humans evolved to include and benefit from meat.
However, plant based foods have been in intensive development since civilization started and it is now possible to get excellent, nearly complete nutrition from them. Only they don't always taste as good as a burger.
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Meat definitely contributes to climate change.
Ruminant cattle like cows and sheep belch methane which is a more potent greenhouse gas than CO2 by about 20 times. I believe there's still enough fiber in government subsidized corn to cause significant belching.
Growing the corn and then feeding it to cattle so they could burn most of it away staying alive means you have to raise a lot more protein than you would if you just grew it and ate it. The corn is grown, harvested, and shipped with copious amounts of diesel fuel. It's a high loss proposition made possible only by cheap fuel and government corn subsidies. And all that cheap fuel being burned definitely turns into CO2.
The problem is that I think climate change is a joke, and you think it is a dire threat to mankind.
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So, if ruminants are the biggest cause for global warming, why do we protect the billions of them in Africa? Or is it only North American ruminants that are to blame?
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I dont care what either side eats or does not eat as long as they dont try to force it on the other side.
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Rocky Raab: 31547074018715/comments/31547087564443
So, if ruminants are the biggest cause for global warming, why do we protect the billions of them in Africa? Or is it only North American ruminants that are to blame?
The world we evolved in had those "billions" already. (way to make up a number!).
It was when we added millions more and started pumping up and burning old carbon that there might have been the start of a rise in global temperature.
To put it another way, if the sun warms the earth, should we devise a way to make a second sun and have it warm the earth twice as much? Would you say, we can't cut back our plans to make two suns because it would mean we have to get rid of the old one as well?
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buddyb: 31547074018715/comments/31547132352667
I dont care what either side eats or does not eat as long as they dont try to force it on the other side.
I doubt they would ban meat consumption outright. They seem to be trying to make plant-based eating attractive rather than ban meat.
They may also someday come up with better ways of capturing methane like feeding cattle electrically harvested silage inside an enclosed facility which captures the methane. They may someday have enough wind farms (I am referring to windmills not to the capture of methane) to generate enough electricity to make it happen.
I don't know about cattle farming. Maybe there's a way to manage their grazing vs their penned up time which would minimize emissions.
It is a part of what we evolved to eat and there may be compounds that are either missing in plant-based foods which we either haven't discovered yet, or which will be hard to duplicate or perhaps more environmentally expensive to duplicate.
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How many millions of tons of green-house gasses to humans belch and fart every day?
Lets limit humans.............this argument is stoopid.
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You accuse me of making up a number while you make up the entirety of your argument. Your theories are farcical, obtuse, and completely unoriginal. Except the one that we evolved to eat tubers. That one clearly came from your own subterranean intellect.
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mohawk600: 31547074018715/comments/31547150360731
How many millions of tons of green-house gasses to humans belch and fart every day?
Lets limit humans.............this argument is stoopid.
We don't eat grass, then have bacteria digest them in our four stomachs like cows. There is much less methane.
Besides, how is having less meat because someone invents an acceptable alternative as bad as being forced not to have kids?
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Rocky Raab: 31547074018715/comments/31547139837467
You accuse me of making up a number while you make up the entirety of your argument. Your theories are farcical, obtuse, and completely unoriginal. Except the one that we evolved to eat tubers. That one clearly came from your own subterranean intellect.
If you ever looked at a science article instead of spewing fiction, you would realize you're doing it again by making stuff up. This is like me telling you all about Vietnam. Actually it's like me telling someone who was scanning news articles in the late 1960s all about Vietnam, as I have little firsthand experience.
The idea that mankind evolved to eat tubers is a hypothesis that is presently under consideration by the scientific community, not a theory.
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Golly! I wonder if the 60,000,000 million bison that roamed North America prior to the arrival of Europeans farted at all?
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NeoBlackdog: 31547074018715/comments/31547167458203
Golly! I wonder if the 60,000,000 million bison that roamed North America prior to the arrival of Europeans farted at all?
It is worse now. There are around 94.4 million beef cattle and they probably have a higher metabolism and turnover rate because of all the growth hormone.
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