Black Talons
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I should have waited its been a few years and thought I did Ok selling off mine I had several boxes of 10MM and 9mm
at the time they pulled them off the market I sold all i Had . oh well water under the bridge
if I remember the lawman ?? just a guess I do not remember the name came in just after they stopped the production and all the bad press of the black talon they are about the same or real close if I remember correctly0 -
I got a case of the 180gr 40s&w. Supposedly the same bullet just without the black teflon coatingDitch-Runner said:I should have waited its been a few years and thought I did Ok selling off mine I had several boxes of 10MM and 9mm
at the time they pulled them off the market I sold all i Had . oh well water under the bridge
if I remember the lawman ?? just a guess I do not remember the name came in just after they stopped the production and all the bad press of the black talon they are about the same or real close if I remember correctly0 -
got 3 cases of black bullet 9mm and 45 in 50rd law boxes from years ago wonder what i can get for them if we dont have civil war 3 -
SXT, No black bullet, but is was the Same eXact Thing. 3 -
Have several boxes of 9 mm SXT ammo, and I must say they are the most uniform expanding slugs I have ever shot in that caliber. 3 -
Better bullets available now, especially in 9mm. 0 -
Ricci.Wright: 31546168032411/comments/31546156363547
Better bullets available now, especially in 9mm.Such as??
Gold dot, FTX, Hydro-Shoks, what?
Please share.
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Well if I was going after really big leaves. Sorry. As I recall, in spite of the news touting the black talon as acting like a buzz saw with the sharp edges ripping and cutting flesh, they weren't anything special. One of the things the FBI does well in my opinion is testing ammo. I see they have gone with Winchester PDX1 147gr as their carry ammo. The only 9mm pistol I own is loaded with Speer Gold Dot 124+P and I would have been fine with the Federal HST 124+P or Hornady Critical Duty 135 looks good. My 10 mm is loaded with the old school Winchester Silvertip 175 cause I had them and they shoot very well in every 10mm I have ever owned. I changed my .40 from some Hornady TAP 180 to Federal HST 180. In .45 acp I have Hornady XTP 200 +P, Remington Golden Sabre 230 (by the way, due to the ogive this bullet will feed in a lot of guns that won't feed other hollow points) Some of the how Rem. G.S. 185+P, Federal Hydra Shok 230, and of course good old 230 ball.<P>
It's all well and good and fun to talk about bullets and there is a case for the latest and greatest in bullet research and development. A lot has happened in the last ten years but placing those projectiles precisely is just as important today as it was on day one with the first firearm shot.0 -
Thanks Ricci. (Again) I agree. It is all about bullet placement. A hit with a .22 beats a miss with a .44mag.
I have a lot of Gold Dots in my 9mm selection, as well as Hydra-Shoks.
I thought the big thing with Black Talons was the Teflon coating, not expansion.
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There was no "big thing". Just the media lying their asses off just like today. They had a surgeon on the news saying he couldn't save patients shot with B.T. cause the bullets acted like little saws and tore things up too badly to be repaired. 0 -
My only experience with PDX ammunition was with my next door neighbor/Buds Taurus Public defender in .410. Three discs and a ball or two. Pretty impressive. I would feel very comfortable at bedroom distances with that load.
Center mass shots were no problem at 15' or so.
I mean it's not a leaf popper or anything but........................................very nice for a HDR.
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NO!! .410 is for playing games with clay targets, not for stopping someone trying to kill you. I could never understand why folks around here had .300 magnum rifles to shoot 150 lb deer and would bet their life on a .410 in a pistol no less, and a garbage taurus judge even less, to stop a 200 lb man trying to kill them in their own house. Sorry but it is a pet peeve of mine. And don't get me started on .410 derringers. 6 -
You saying getting shot in the chest, center mass with a PDX .410 round would be ineffective?
I can tell you, having shot one a bunch of times at my Buddys pistol range, you would not want to get hit with that round.
I was skeptical at first also. I liked it. I would be comfortable with it as a house gun.
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No that is not what I said at all. No body wants to get shot with a damn bb gun. What I said in effect is plan well ahead of the time when one needs a firearm to defend oneself. Planning to defend oneself with a .410 however you load it is pure folly unless there is nothing else available. 0 -
My thinking is, if I have to shoot something that's trying to kill me or my family, at home or in the woods, there will be absolutely no question whatsoever that it's having a foot-wide hole through the middle of it when I'm done. I want to see daylight. 3 -
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410 doesn't penetrate enough and is not very accurate.Remember the only things that matter are Penetration and bullet placement all the rest is angles dancing on the head of a pin.
I would rather have a 32 auto that I shoot good(like my Beretta 81) to any derringer especially loaded with 410 ammo. I have a derringer too and its loaded with snake shot and that is what I have used it for shooting snakes and that is just about it(and only if I cannot relocate them). Now if that is all I had and some guy attacked me on my property(I only carry it when I am messing around on my place) I guess I would stick it in his ear and pull the trigger.
Black Talons were cool back in the 90's but there are better designed rounds out now, Ricci named a few. I wish Winchester would bring back the old Silver tips in pistol and rifle and I wish Federal would bring back the old Nyclad bullets.
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Hey, how about those Black Talons?
Helluva round.
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Wish I still had the ones I bought back in the 90s..........just to make a buck. 0 -
I think I have a few boxes of 10mm in the ammo cabinet. 0 -
I actually have my 10mm loaded with those 180 gr. Sig V Crown Hollow Points. 0 -
Black Talons? Looks like plain brass cases to me. Black Talons have nickel plated cases. Reloads, or is that just a problem with his flash?Neal
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Every BT that I have seen was in a nickel case. Where are the boxes?? Much better bullets available. No collector value without boxes. They were not banned. 3 -
I also had a few , nickel cases as pointed out .
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I've got a box or two of black talons for my 45, but carry gold dots in my 1911.I even have a partial box of the old silvertips that I occasionally pull out and show off. Hornady lite critical defense for the LCR nowadays.
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The nickel cases really looked nice with the black bullet. I can't remember if the offered the bullet as a reloading component.
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There was definitely a 'cool factor' to 'em. I've got some .223 rounds that have a black case and a red polymer tipped copper bullet. Seems almost a shame to shoot 'em 'cause they look so good!RobOz said:The nickel cases really looked nice with the black bullet. I can't remember if the offered the bullet as a reloading component.
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I believe I have a few boxes of 30-06 Black Talons.
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nmyers said:Black Talons? Looks like plain brass cases to me. Black Talons have nickel plated cases. Reloads, or is that just a problem with his flash?Neal
Oops... Big money for brass .. Never seen any except nickel0
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