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You decide: 2021: The Year of the Deadliest Vaccine

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  • SCOUT5
    He may have some points  on government power grabs but this:

    "In this country, the mass vaccination of children at voluminous levels is nothing short of unmitigated child abuse or worse. In addition, vaccinating the old by introducing toxic viruses through vaccines that also contain poisonous and dangerous brain-altering adjuvants, is certainly criminal, but also borders on the concept of premeditated murder. "

    Is BS. and he continues that theme tying it into everything.

    If he stuck to government manipulation and control issues he would have a clearer message.

    This is also a blatantly false statement:    

    “There is no evidence that any influenza vaccine thus far developed is effective in preventing or mitigating any attack of influenza."

    Yet he quoted it in his article.  IMO there's in no doubt government has latched onto the virus issue to flex it's power and test it's limits.   I'm disappointed in the outcome and hope more people wake up.



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  • kimi
    SCOUT5 said:
    He may have some points  on government power grabs but this:

    "In this country, the mass vaccination of children at voluminous levels is nothing short of unmitigated child abuse or worse. In addition, vaccinating the old by introducing toxic viruses through vaccines that also contain poisonous and dangerous brain-altering adjuvants, is certainly criminal, but also borders on the concept of premeditated murder. "

    Is BS. and he continues that theme tying it into everything.

    If he stuck to government manipulation and control issues he would have a clearer message.

    This is also a blatantly false statement:    

    “There is no evidence that any influenza vaccine thus far developed is effective in preventing or mitigating any attack of influenza."

    Yet he quoted it in his article.  IMO there's in no doubt government has latched onto the virus issue to flex it's power and test it's limits.   I'm disappointed in the outcome and hope more people wake up.



    The same quotes took me back to pioneer days when Faith Healers were common among the people.  Today, we have folks that won't take pain medicine when they are in dire need of it, yet they live on and on and on, perhaps, in part, due to taking their vaccines.

    Thanks for taking the time to read and comment on the article.
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  • Smitty500mag
    Well I judge by history. Normally anything the government says is good for us ends up biting us in the a s s! I would believe a snake oil salesman before I'd ever take the word of a politician. 

    The only thing I can remember that actually worked was the polio vaccine and even then the US Government was wanting to test children using placebos which would mean they were willing to sacrifice some children testing the drug.  Jonas Salk, the inverter of the inactivated polio vaccine, put his foot down and said hell no we're not making guinea pigs out of American children. 
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  • BobJudy
    Sorry Kimi, like Scouts pointed out there are a few good points but they have been totally skewed by 90% of his rant. If immunizing children does more harm than good where are the measles, mumps and polio epidemics that were prevalent in the middle of the 20th century? Introducing toxic Live viruses and brain altering Adjuvant is also bunk. After reading your posted article I checked his website and the articles all appeared the same - half truths distorted further by hyperbole. Bill Gates through GAVI is the largest contributor to WHO and that is a ripe combination for conspiracy theories. Never mind there is no proof of nefarious motives, there has to be something evil when a rich guy gives away billions of dollars! Or maybe not. Bob
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  • kimi

    Why in the world would you be sorry?!!! Did you not remember that it's a You Decide post? I simply thought the subject was worth a discussion, cut and paste dislikes included.


    Thank you for your interest.

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  • BobJudy
    kimi said:

    Why in the world would you be sorry?!!! Did you not remember that it's a You Decide post? I simply thought the subject was worth a discussion, cut and paste dislikes included.


    Thank you for your interest.

    Yeah, you're right. By the time I waded through his website my brain was a little numb and I forgot the premise of your post. Some websites are tiresome when it comes to trying to make sense of their articles, almost to the point of feeling brain cells succumbing to atrophy as the non sequiturs pile up. Bob
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  • mohawk600
    BobJudy said:
    Sorry Kimi, like Scouts pointed out there are a few good points but they have been totally skewed by 90% of his rant. If immunizing children does more harm than good where are the measles, mumps and polio epidemics that were prevalent in the middle of the 20th century? Introducing toxic Live viruses and brain altering Adjuvant is also bunk. After reading your posted article I checked his website and the articles all appeared the same - half truths distorted further by hyperbole. Bill Gates through GAVI is the largest contributor to WHO and that is a ripe combination for conspiracy theories. Never mind there is no proof of nefarious motives, there has to be something evil when a rich guy gives away billions of dollars! Or maybe not. Bob
    THIS.....
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  • kimi

    I'm thinking that a great many people will refuse to take a COVID19 vaccine. I also think we will see a surge in people being tested for being COVID19 antibody positive, which should greatly increase the number of people to follow suit in not taking it. What are ya'll thoughts to this particular issue?

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  • Grasshopper
    The deadliest if it happens will be the liberal utopia if Biden gets in with murder rates soaring to all time highs along with all crime.
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  • SCOUT5
    A lot of people do not take the flu vaccine so we can expect the same type numbers for a COVID-19 vaccine.    Some of those will get it because they perceive COVID-19 as more dangerous than the flu and some that usually get flu vaccine will pass on the COVID vaccine out of caution because it's new.  So who knows what the actual numbers will turn out to be.   Vaccines help reduce vectors the fewer vectors the less transmission there will be.  There is less disease and more dead ends for it to run into.

    I'm guessing a lot more people have been exposed to COVID-19 than we are going to be aware of.   If so there are a lot more people with some short term immunity  than are known.
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  • kimi
    SCOUT5: 31544694315803/comments/31544688401051
    A lot of people do not take the flu vaccine so we can expect the same type numbers for a COVID-19 vaccine.    Some of those will get it because they perceive COVID-19 as more dangerous than the flu and some that usually get flu vaccine will pass on the COVID vaccine out of caution because it's new.  So who knows what the actual numbers will turn out to be.   Vaccines help reduce vectors the fewer vectors the less transmission there will be.  There is less disease and more dead ends for it to run into.

    I'm guessing a lot more people have been exposed to COVID-19 than we are going to be aware of.   If so there are a lot more people with some short term immunity  than are known.

    Are you of the belief that COVID19 antibody positive is a short term immunity, only, and do we know if it is short term at all like some have claimed?

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  • dreher
    Since I have never, ever, received a flu vaccine, I will not be getting one in 2021.  The fact that it was rushed to market does play a part in my thinking. 

    When was the last time you believed the government wanted to do something for your benefit??  Instead, BOHICA, bend over here it comes again!! 
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  • BobJudy
    kimi said:

    Are you of the belief that COVID19 antibody positive is a short term immunity, only, and do we know if it is short term at all like some have claimed?

    It is probably to early to tell for sure how long the antibodies are effective. They are using antibody serum from patients to treat others with the most severe cases. However there have been isolated reports of reinfection of those who have been supposedly cured. I know with my drug induced (Humira) reduced immune system I will be getting both covid and flu vaccines. My research says those with compromised systems may still contract these viruses but the deadly effects will be ameliorated if vaccines have been taken. To each his own. Bob
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  • mogley98
    I don't know but the Hospital I worked at required Flu shot or Mask and all the Dr's and Nurses or at least 99% of them took the vaccine I have to assume some of them know something about disease and vaccines.
    My guess is Healthcare workers and First responders will be among the first to receive it.
    That said while the escalation of the vaccines manufacturing is suspect in QC for me I would fall under high risk and if it doesn't kill the first responders or HC workers I will probably take it
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  • Frogdog

    Hogwash. Classic disinformation.

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  • Okie
    When Bill Gates speaks, he knows Jack Schmitt.
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  • SCOUT5
    kimi said:

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    Are you of the belief that COVID19 antibody positive is a short term immunity, only, and do we know if it is short term at all like some have claimed?

    I really do not know.   My thinking is it is probably like the common cold immunity, it just doesn't last that long.  While your body may have a head start on gearing up to fight it it won't remain immune.  I'm pretty well schooled in hands on infection control but I'm not a virologist.    Again, I really don't know.
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  • He Dog
    Nonsense.
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  • MrMag00
    SCOUT5 said:
    kimi said:

    I'm guessing a lot more people have been exposed to COVID-19 than we are going to be aware of.   If so there are a lot more people with some short term immunity  than are known.","bodyRaw":"A lot of people do not take the flu vaccine so we can expect the same type numbers for a COVID-19 vaccine.    Some of those will get it because they perceive COVID-19 as more dangerous than the flu and some that usually get flu vaccine will pass on the COVID vaccine out of caution because it's new.  So who knows what the actual numbers will turn out to be.   Vaccines help reduce vectors the fewer vectors the less transmission there will be.  There is less disease and more dead ends for it to run into.

    I'm guessing a lot more people have been exposed to COVID-19 than we are going to be aware of.   If so there are a lot more people with some short term immunity  than are known.","format":"wysiwyg","dateInserted":"2020-09-17T21:20:52+00:00","insertUser":{"userID":391759,"name":"SCOUT5","profileUrl":"https:\/\/forums.gunbroker.com\/profile\/SCOUT5","photoUrl":"https:\/\/forums.gunbroker.com\/applications\/dashboard\/design\/images\/defaulticon.png","dateLastActive":"2020-09-18T00:08:59+00:00","label":"✭✭✭"},"displayOptions":{"showUserLabel":false,"showCompactUserInfo":true,"showDiscussionLink":false,"showPostLink":false,"showCategoryLink":false,"renderFullContent":false,"expandByDefault":false},"url":"https:\/\/forums.gunbroker.com\/discussion\/comment\/11215832#Comment_11215832","embedType":"quote"}"> https://forums.gunbroker.com/discussion/comment/11215832#Comment_11215832

    Are you of the belief that COVID19 antibody positive is a short term immunity, only, and do we know if it is short term at all like some have claimed?

    I really do not know.   My thinking is it is probably like the common cold immunity, it just doesn't last that long.  While your body may have a head start on gearing up to fight it it won't remain immune.  I'm pretty well schooled in hands on infection control but I'm not a virologist.    Again, I really don't know.
    Common cold and flu immunity is directly related to your health and habits.  You do not need a vaccine, you need to treat your body as per the owners manual.  Unfortunately,  big pharma, big government, big business is heanding you an owners manual that is just not true to the human form.   
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  • mohawk600
    We must listen to MrMag00..................and Barzillia too
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  • gartman
    I think I will look elsewhere for medical advice.
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  • kimi
    @...: 31544694315803/comments/
    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/professionals/acip/2020-2021/acip-table.htm

    I chose the Sanofi Pasteur HD quadrivalent prep last week.

    Was that primarily due to the HD factor?

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  • chiefr
    On the subject of choice and vaccines, always relate to my time in service: You get the shot or you get an Article 15 along with an OTH discharge. Vaccinations as well as prophylaxis when deployed are mandatory.
      
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  • kimi
    chiefr said:
    On the subject of choice and vaccines, always relate to my time in service: You get the shot or you get an Article 15 along with an OTH discharge. Vaccinations as well as prophylaxis when deployed are mandatory.
      
    Military people were well indoctrinated and always on the cutting edge of any social change that has been pushed in this country.  Include the present day Critical Race Theory that has a grip on government at all levels and starting in the military academies....a movement that actually started in earnest about 20 years ago due to race problems and hustling in the regular military and lower ranks that is now snowballing.
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  • kimi
    mogley98 said:
    I don't know but the Hospital I worked at required Flu shot or Mask and all the Dr's and Nurses or at least 99% of them took the vaccine I have to assume some of them know something about disease and vaccines.
    My guess is Healthcare workers and First responders will be among the first to receive it.
    That said while the escalation of the vaccines manufacturing is suspect in QC for me I would fall under high risk and if it doesn't kill the first responders or HC workers I will probably take it
    I like your approach to this subject.

    I have a cousin who is COVID19 antibody positive...has been for awhile now, church members all doing well as is his family and coworkers.  They will not likely be vaccinated until the same has been proven to be safe and effective.  That said, there are probably a great many people that will follow suit, probably hoardes.  All too many people see this issue blown way the hell out of proportion and for good reason, like the mandatory masking and other related restrictions...all that fit perfectly well with the skunks running to complete the old New World Order power grab.  Include the Mail-In Voting scheme designed to not declare Trump the winner in a legitimate shoo-in situation.
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