how do you sell bb pistols with all the various municipal ordinances?
can you just go and send it to a ffl and they sift thru the laws in the buyers area;or would that likely kill the sale?the ramifications of just saying know your laws might not cut it legally...
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Killed and buried. I'm a dealer and unless you are a friend or a loyal customer, I'm not inclined to do anything for free. A $20-30 dealer "transfer fee" tacked onto the price of an airgun, plus the buyer making a trip to his gun shop when in fact no dealer need be involved in the transaction, will be fatal.tom catman said:can you just go and send it to a ffl and they sift thru the laws in the buyers area;or would that likely kill the sale?
Air guns and Airsoft guns are actually more complicated to sell then regular firearms because there are so many local municipalities with their own regulations. One tip is to go to one of the websites of a few big airgun wholesalers and look under their terms and conditions to see the locations where they won't ship product. If the big boys won't ship there, you shouldn't ship either. A simple "Not for sale where prohibited. Know your local laws" statement at the end of the listing is always a good thing. It shows that you at least tried.3 -
Check out this auction description on your topic....
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/8781679980 -
Good to know.I have an accumulation of old Benjamins,Sheridans and Crosmans I am thinking of selling. 0 -
crossman lists the citys/municipalities/states to avoid.i guess i am not used to a flat $30 fee for a bb gun requiring no nics/decision and handling /4473 or shipping fee.that seems steep, unless you know a ffl personally who would do it for a token fee..the ffl would only have it shipped to them and make a call for a pickup if their is no paperwork.... 0 -
Even if the dealer will handle it out of the goodness of his heart (not all dealers are a heartless as myselftom catman said:crossman lists the citys/municipalities/states to avoid.i guess i am not used to a flat $30 fee for a bb gun requiring no nics/decision and handling /4473 or shipping fee.that seems steep, unless you know a ffl personally who would do it for a token fee..the ffl would only have it shipped to them and make a call for a pickup if their is no paperwork....
), not many buyers will want to make a special trip to a gun shop just to pick up and air gun which could have been delivered to their home. 0 -
like i said i am spoiled having had a ffl who is out of his basement....no disparagement meant.just it would weed out those places where it isnt lawful to have a bb gun. 0 -
None taken. I assure you that we are fine.tom catman said:...no disparagement meant.
Compared to what I've been putting up with for the past two weeks from newbie members, your questions are like a breath of fresh air.3 -
Just look at what we are talking about, selling BBguns and a lot of areas must be shipped to an FFL. How wrong is that. jeeez usss, 3 -
I agree, and while it is a shame that it has reached this level, the man is justifiably worried about possible liability:
"You'll put your eye out with that thing."
I can't blame him.0 -
When we were retail I couldn't sell BB guns in the store because you cannot sell them in the city limits of Birmingham.....at least it was that way back then. I thought it was the craziest thing. Ten miles up the road they had them in their stores, but we could only sell REAL firearms in our store....or airsoft guns....because that is totally different than the evil bb or pellet gun. 0 -
Back in SoCal, there was something similar in the city of Laguna Nigel, which was about ten miles away from my old gun shop. It was crazy. I could sell airguns, but the one gun shop in Laguna Nigel could not. Eventually the local ordinance was changed. 0 -
Is an FFL really required in some places to ship an airgun? If so, that just seems crazy. 0 -
An old room-mate of mine and I, ordered a couple of those Chinese training air guns from an ad in the old Shotgun News. They are .177 and take a single lever pump to charge. We set up a little range in the hallway of our place with stacked phone books as a backstop. Man, we had a lot of fun with those things, competing with one another. They are pretty good with accuracy too. I still have mine. I think the original price was around $60............shipped directly to us. 0 -
In New Jersey, air guns are firearms, per NJ Title 2C:39-1mohawk600 said:Is an FFL really required in some places to ship an airgun? If so, that just seems crazy.
"Firearm" means any handgun, rifle, shotgun, machine gun, automatic or semi-automatic rifle, or any gun, device or instrument in the nature of a weapon from which may be fired or ejected any solid projectable ball, slug, pellet, missile or bullet, or any gas, vapor or other noxious thing, by means of a cartridge or shell or by the action of an explosive or the igniting of flammable or explosive substances. It shall also include, without limitation, any firearm which is in the nature of an air gun, spring gun or pistol or other weapon of a similar nature in which the propelling force is a spring, elastic band, carbon dioxide, compressed or other gas or vapor, air or compressed air, or is ignited by compressed air, and ejecting a bullet or missile smaller than three-eighths of an inch in diameter, with sufficient force to injure a person.
The sufficient force to injure a person more or less includes anything and everything.0 -
You're on the mark, Mark. 20+ years ago NJ tried to use this to outlaw paintball guns. The 3/8" loophole was used to allow them. Not sure today. Anyway, 90% of all air guns in NJ are bought out of state & driven in. 0 -
Wow.......that is crazy. 0 -
You should be able to find most of the local regulations covering toy guns, BB guns, etc in ATF P5300.5 (State Laws & Published Ordinances - Firearms), if you have the patience.Neal
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From living in the sticks all of my life this is all new to me........I've got quite a few junkers laying around, maybe someone will have a "buy back" program on them.... 0
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