Winchester 3 Position Safeties, not really safe.
Always keep em pointed in a safe direction.
AND Remington 700 safeties get more bad mouthing than Winchester???????????
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So , sort of like when your cars brakes wear down and become unsafe after many 10's of thousands of miles and a back yard clueless car fixer tries to replace them.
unlike Rem 700's that were built faulty, the Win. 70's wearing down of critical mating surfaces can and does occur but not enough in 99.999% of them, as most never get shot that much in there serviceable lifetime , and bubbas will always be bubbas.
your calling Win. 70's unsafe and comparing it to the Rem 700's manufacturing/design faults is ludicrous .0 -
Okie said:If you really knew how a Winchester 3 pos safety operates mechanically you would have a lot more respect for how unsuspecting unsafe it really can be. (as the parts wear down to the critical areas of unsafe or Bubba has been monkeying around with such)
Always keep em pointed in a safe direction.
AND Remington 700 safeties get more bad mouthing than Winchester???????????
"If you really knew"...Comments such as this are meant to both amaze and astound us... even when untrue. You obviously do not understand the mechanical operations of the Winchester Model 70 safety or you wouldn't bother trying to 'astound' us with your negligent assertion. Stick with what you know, not with what you think you know.
The bold comment:Always keep em pointed in a safe direction.One of the very important rules of handling any firearm. Every rule of handling firearms should be ingrained in our every day thinking.Here is a good list of representative rules from several entities:Ira L. Revees, in his 1913 book The A B C of Rifle, Revolver and Pistol Shooting,[4] stated the following:
- "The Accident-Proof Rule": "The muzzle of a firearm should never point in a direction in which, if discharged, it would do injury where injury is not meant to be done."
- "the companion rule of the one just given": "All firearms are at all times loaded."
- And he went on to say: "The trigger should never be pulled until the identity of the thing fired at has been established beyond any doubt."
Various version of the "Ten Commandments of Gun Safety" have been published. This one is from the Sporting Shooters Association of Australia:[5]
- Treat every gun with the respect due a loaded gun.
- Carry only empty guns, taken down or with the action open, into your car, camp and home.
- Always be sure that the barrel and action are clear of obstructions.
- Always carry your gun so that you can control the direction of the muzzle.
- Be sure of your target before you pull the trigger.
- Never point a gun at anything you do not want to shoot.
- Never leave your gun unattended unless you unload it first.
- Never climb a tree or a fence with a loaded gun.
- Never shoot at a flat, hard surface or the surface of water.
- Do not mix gunpowder and alcohol.
Jeff Cooper, an influential figure in modern firearms training, formalized and popularized "Four Rules" of safe firearm handling. Prior lists of gun safety rules included as few as three basic safety rules or as many as ten rules including gun safety and sporting etiquette rules. In addition to Cooper, other influential teachers of gun safety include Massad Ayoob, Clint Smith, Chuck Taylor, Jim Crews, Bob Munden and Ignatius Piazza.
Jeff Cooper's Four Rules are:[6]
- All guns are always loaded.
- Never let the muzzle cover anything you are not willing to destroy.
- Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on the target.
- Be sure of your target and what is beyond it.
The National Rifle Association provides a similar set of rules:[7]
- ALWAYS keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.
- ALWAYS keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot.
- ALWAYS keep the gun unloaded until ready to use.
Project Appleseed provides similar rules for their rifle marksmanship clinics:[8]
- Always keep the muzzle in a safe direction.
- Do not load until given the load command.
- Keep your finger off the trigger until the sights are on the target.
- Make sure those around you follow the safety rules.
The Canadian Firearms Program uses the concept of The Four Firearm ACTS:[9]
- Assume every firearm is loaded.
- Control the muzzle direction at all times.
- Trigger finger off trigger and out of trigger guard.
- See that the firearm is unloaded.
The United States Marine Corps uses the following four weapons safety rules[10]:
- Treat every weapon as if it were loaded
- Never point the weapon at anything you do not intend to shoot
- Keep your finger straight and off the trigger until you're ready to fire
- Keep the weapon on safe until you intend to fire
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A safety should be simple.
On Safe
or
Off Safe
Leave off that other position/ conditon.
Like George Carlson said about flammable, infammable and nonflammable...
Either it flams or it don't flam!
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Steyr has a 3 position safety... bolt locks closed. 0 -
bustedknee said:
A safety should be simple.
On Safe
or
Off Safe
Leave off that other position/ conditon.
Like George Carlson said about flammable, infammable and nonflammable...
Either it flams or it don't flam!
Obviously not everyone agrees with your assessment since a huge number of shooters have bought and continue to buy both Pre-64 and Post-64 Winchesters with the 3-position safety feature. In fact, demand for the Pre-64 Win. 70 still continues to climb yearly. Not only this but there is a thriving market for 3-position safeties in after market parts for both Mausers and Remington M700 rifles.While maybe not as simple as 'on/off', there is no end to the demand for the slightly more desirable 3-position safeties. This was nearly a requisite for any rifle going to Africa on safari.Best.0 -
Specific elaboration would be appreciated -Okie said:If you really knew how a Winchester 3 pos safety operates mechanically you would have a lot more respect for how unsuspecting unsafe it really can be. (as the parts wear down to the critical areas of unsafe or Bubba has been monkeying around with such)
Always keep em pointed in a safe direction.
AND Remington 700 safeties get more bad mouthing than Winchester???????????
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nononsense said:Obviously not everyone agrees with your assessment since a huge number of shooters have bought and continue to buy both Pre-64 and Post-64 Winchesters with the 3-position safety feature. In fact, demand for the Pre-64 Win. 70 still continues to climb yearly. Not only this but there is a thriving market for 3-position safeties in after market parts for both Mausers and Remington M700 rifles.While maybe not as simple as 'on/off', there is no end to the demand for the slightly more desirable 3-position safeties. This was nearly a requisite for any rifle going to Africa on safari.Best.Maybe, just maybe, a lot of folks think a 3 position safety must be better than a 2 position safety because 3 is bigger than 2?What we really need is a 4 position safety - now that would be SAFER.Reminds me of the folks that think a Glock has no safeties.
You can't foolproof a tool against an idiot with any amount of safeties or safety positions.My point is, either my gun is safe or it is not and when I really need it to go bang I do not want any "half-safety" stopping said bang. (I hunted a lot of dangerous game for 35 years).If someone feels not-safe with a 2 position safety. perhaps they should carry their gun unloaded or... not carry a gun. Maybe hunting is just too dangerous for them?
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Maybe, just maybe, a lot of folks think a 3 position safety must be better than a 2 position safety because 3 is bigger than 2?What we really need is a 4 position safety - now that would be SAFER.Reminds me of the folks that think a Glock has no safeties.
You can't foolproof a tool against an idiot with any amount of safeties or safety positions.It's good that you have an appreciation for being facetious and silly with your description. None of which has anything seriously to do with the point about safeties. But I suppose your lack of knowledge requires that you make fun of those things you don't understand.
If you can only manage to handle counting to two then yes a 2-position safety is made just for you. Simple things for simple minds. Those of us who actually know about safeties and understand how they work develop an appreciation for that third position, which incidentally is not 'half safety' but a bolt lock. Your lack of knowledge and therefore understanding this function is unfortunate. And obviously 35 years of hunting 'dangerous game' seemingly didn't teach you anything.
If someone feels not-safe with a 2 position safety. perhaps they should carry their gun unloaded or... not carry a gun. Maybe hunting is just too dangerous for them?And in it's finality, there is no consideration given that a 2-position safety is 'unsafe'. Once again something you made up in order to be rude to the rest of the membership and cover for your insecurity. Stop digging, you're done here.
Have a great evening!
Best.
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