Mr Mike Starter
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Absolutely - not only the patent architecture and operational design platform but interestingly enough the number of infringement clones and copies using their design and trying to profit from such theft of intellectual property...
Also the Chinese roadside copies and fakes that loon like these pistols in profile and markings - and actually operate crudely but are simply physically outward lookalike fakes - carved from slabs of metal - with hysterical fake markings and proofs and sights that don't work or are graduated backwards...
There are a whole series of vids and YouTube clips by forgotten weapons and Ian at RIA on these odd bespoke mystery guns that are fascinating - personally I am somewhat enamored and focused on the explosion period of ten years after Rollin white gave Smith and Wesson the first modem revolver with bored through cylinder for use with single unit monolithic self contained metallic cartridges...
And the treaty of Versailles period of interwar development and exploration of design theory...
The 1898-1914 period often dominated by fn herstal and Bayard pieper and schwalrzlose and Mauser does fit into my wheelhouse as I own so many examples from this 16 year period that are important - so many widely different design platforms that taking them apart and putting them back together - tinkering with them and tuning them and fixing them or diagnosing issues has become second nature and I developed a feel for them - can be watching TV or conducting a conversation while in a trance state where my hands know what to do without conscious direction...
Please give me some lead time and I will assemble a pictorial essay and some YouTube clips and some technical data for you.
Anybody else enamored with a pistol from this period please jump on the bandwagon and suggest make and model...
Items like the frommer stop or 1908 Bayard or the jo lar one hand cocker full sized frame pistols are so internal wickedly complicated and mechanically puzzling that I now enjoy playing with them.
Franz Joseph nickel and his work somewhat later than these examples - especially his time at Mauser and CZ also get my going...
I know 84BRAVO Ken has an example with his wonderful final safety design built into it - and those with Mauser 1910 and 1914 pistols will know to what I refer...
I am on the job - on task - and will get back with some good stuff soon...
Thanks for the shout out and request.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HNaB7l2GQkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byEIP9mRAwA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtFPgu82f1cIan at RIA does a great job on these Khyber pass sweatshop clone Chinese roadside copy guns - he collects them and has been toying with writing a book on them for about 10 years.
Reverse engineering and crude basic hand made blacksmith shop farm implement level third world attempts to create ersatz clone or copies of more famous higher tech advanced infrastructure deigns have always fascinated me - some crude basic attempts to arm insurgents and some made to deceive to take money in...
Most people know about such pieces from the Philippines or from Vietnam - and of course the Khyber pass gunsmith - but is what the Belgian gun guild industry in leige on or near rue 22 within a stones throw of the town square tower monument to gunsmithing any different except for being more advanced and established???
Back with more soon I promise.
Mike
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Guilty as charged. I do indeed own a nice Mauser mdl 1914. (3rd one from the bottom.) Mine is nicer than that one. Good memory Mike.
Impulse buy, but I know quality when I see it.
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I was thinking more along the lines of your CZ1927 - CZ1928 variant which should also have the Franz Joseph nickel safety design incorporated into its framework...
A larger and smoother execution in my eyes - so you may have two examples of not more...
I have an early working prototype design variant of the CZ27 which was a rescue project refinish piece that I adore - though my Argentine navy Mauser pistol is also a favored piece...
It's an intuitive robust simple improved safety mechanism design that I have always been fond of...
I do have one pistol that has I think 5 safety mechanisms built into it - an odd example to be sure...
Can we agree that one particular Japanese pistol has one panther worst executed safety designs ever put on a handgun???
Compare your CZ with your Mauser for safety design and operation and function and ergonomics - tell me what you think.
Mike
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One of the guns is not like the others - one of these guns doesn't belong...
Some just look off - some the markings are laughable - some are quite well done...
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Ah, I misunderstood. My CZ27 is from my Dad, and is in excellent condition. My Dad purchased it new in Berlin in 1949 I believe.
It is a cherished piece. Yes - I like the Safety on the CZ27. Better than a lot of more "modern" designs.
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If you need more than one shot in 22 LR, you are doing it wrong.
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Mike, I knew this would peak your interest. The markings are funny in that they are whatever the "artisan" liked or thought up. The grips are made from animal horn. It is amazing what they could do with simple tools. I've function tested them but no way I will try to fire one. A friend who worked at Navy Arms in the hey day said that that the British lost an amazing amount of railroad track to the metal smiths. AL 0 -
A few more gems...
I only have one piece the might qualify as a cottage industry ersatz copy or clone reverse engineering third world knock off / Chinese mystery gun / Khyber pass gun...
I have a project rifle smle enfield bolt action rifle that is dated two years before the gun was patented and manufactured - almost certainly a Khyber pass piece - I have posted pics here previously...
One does wonder how they are supposed to be entered into an FFL bound book or whether they can claim curio and relics status or be considered pre 1898 antiques...
Many curious avenues of thought connected to this type of firearm.
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Chinese C96 "Wauser" Broomhandle - YouTubeMike
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