Dangerous precedents being set-edited & updated
I have to agree that my statement on the persons comments being fairly benign is inaccurate, his post was insensitive and racist I should have been more clear.
And the individual in the article works for a School system which of course can't condone by ignoring the post.
That said today's news has another article https://www.live5news.com/2020/06/15/charleston-co-sro-deputy-removed-school-after-investigation-into-social-media-post/
This shared Meme is IMO much less inflammatory and more inclined to asking why we as a country are making more of George Floyd's murder compared to our treatment of veterans. Still as noted the person works for a School and has to represent the Sheriff's office and is apt to be fired for his statements and opinions.
Again the post is insensitive especially to the current situation and mood.
But my original point wasn't to support the poster racism or comments but asking how much farther will this go?
My concern for our country is as stated if I vote GOP will I be ostricized (sp) and ridiculed? Fired?
If you show support for the current administration by say wearing a MAGA hat or shirt is it still OK to be beat up (as two people where who were caught in the riots, and I say it was OK because the police "rescued" the victims but made no attempt to arrest the attackers and the media glorified the attackers as justified)
When will the table tip so far that you can no longer have an opinion that doesn't fit in the approved category?
Bottom line someone posted a fairly benign comment on a news web site and got fired over it. Soon enough people will be fired for voting for the wrong person! So much for having first amendment rights if utilizing them can be used against you. Should work both ways but never has.
Not saying they don't have a right to fire someone for anything they want but clearly next up is "he ate steak" fire him, He used anti bacterial soap, FIRE HIM, Etc. Etc.
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Socialism is a much worse pandemic than covid 19. 3 -
The ONLY thing your Job should be predicated on, is your Job performance.
Maybe that makes too much sense.
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I always figured I owed some loyality to my employer. There were things I could not say without causing real damage between us.
We had an agreemen - I produced a certain amount of work and they gave me money. (I was a company whore). That is the bare truth.
I always felt if I wanted to do verbal damage to my employer by exercising my freedom of speech I should resign first.
Without knowing what was said in your example its hard to say if it was frivolous or not.
Sometimes an employer is simply looking for an excuse to get rid of a problem? And most of us don't have enough sense to keep our traps shut.
Nowadays everyone seems to have a political opinion that they want to express. Not good for the workplace, IMO. Especially, if the worker's stance is opposite of the employer.
Just like our freedom of speech is somewhat limited on talkboards. Like this one. Someone else owns it and makes the rules.
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and the 2nd Amendment rights are next in line for these bozos to smear so they can dominate the policing, courts and the CONSTITUTION 0 -
The fact is many HR departments are searching social media for posts you make when applying for a job or are currently employed. So sadly you do need to be cautious about what you post. Or stay off social media. At my old job I had a co worker fired within 30 minutes of making a derogatory post about the company on Facebook. It’s also why I make it known to my current co workers I no longer add any co workers on social media and I keep my profiles private.
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WLM
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Agreed.CoolhandLuke said:Socialism is a much worse pandemic than covid 19.
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I guess I don't see it as a fairly benign comment.
'If they don't like it in America, give them a ticket back to Africa..?'
Not sure how many actually came from Africa, and would guess this solution will effect an insignificant number of the BLM protesters.
We should not (as many seem to wish) kowtow to criminality, looting, etc. but should engage in pursuing a solution to what is becoming a political divide in this country. There are many non-black Americans who support the BLM cause of equal justice, and I do not think the problem is as egregious as it is being portrayed, the fact that an officer in Atlanta, during the midst of this goat fluke, thought it acceptable to shoot a fleeing suspect in the back should at a minimum provoke us into thinking about and considering whether there is a problem with racial inequities in policing. I am not condemning this particular policeman for his actions in this specific case, but unless there is a quite a bit to the story that has yet to be released, it is questionable as to whether this man should be dead. A good example, however, as to where the discussion could start.
A person of any race could easily be expected to be taken in if found passed out in a car. He obviously should not be allowed to drive home. Would a middle class white man have been placed under arrest and cuffed, or would his car have been impounded and his wife called to come pick him up? I don't know, but I there are a number of stories of just that happening. Was the arrest the start of the incident, and was the arrest valid. The arrest was probably valid, and it was not the start of the incident.
Every conversation striving for a solution, however, requires input and action from both sides of the question. In this case, once the decision was made to take the intoxicated person in, it seems logical that he would be handcuffed, and I would think most people, both black and white, would have taken their medicine and got into the car without putting up a fight. Resident LEO's can correct me if I am wrong, but I would assume in that for the most part when someone is put in the backseat of a police car for transport, they are handcuffed.
This incident therefore started with the dead man resisted arrest and assaulted the two officers. This was his second significant mistake and is the one that ended up getting him killed.
Once he got up and ran, however, the officer's lives were no longer in danger, yet one of them decided to shoot a fleeing suspect in the back. The dead man was found to be intoxicated at the wheel of a vehicle, resisted arrest, assaulted an officer or officers, stole a tazer, and it appears that he fired or attempted to fire the tazer at the pursuing officer.
None of these actions is a capital offense, the officers were out of danger, and they still had the suspects vehicle.
We need to honestly ask ourselves if a white suspect would have been treated any differently leading up to being placed in handcuffs, and more importantly, would a white suspect have not be shot after taking the tazer, running, and then turning to fire this less than lethal device at a pursuing officer?
If there is a possibility that a white suspect would have been treated differently, we need then to consider how we address this.
In conjunction with this consideration, however, we also need to consider how we get to a point where fewer people resist arrest, particularly when this resistance forces police officers to physically engage those people.
There are damn few occasions where it is proper to physically resist and/or attack a police officer. There are even fewer occasions where it is proper to treat someone differently based soley upon the color of his skin.3 -
His comment, had NOTHING to do with his job performance.
That is all that should matter.
Obviously, your view differs.
Perhaps I am your Boss. I don't like you. All I need to do is sit back and monitor your "Social Media."
Gotcha'. Now your Fired.
Fair? No. Not at all.
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I believe you missed the part where the suspect relieved one of the officers of his taser. Have you seen the other video where the suspect fired the taser at the officer? I watched it in slow-mo and could clearly see the officer sweep the wires with his arm, but not quickly enough. There was an obvious convulsion from the probes making contact.
An officer, or anybody for that fact, incapacitated by a taser is in no position to defend him/herself. Not to mention the risk of the suspect somehow obtaining the officers weapon. This is why some, many, most jurisdictions consider using a taser on a police officer to be deadly force.3 -
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His comment, had NOTHING to do with his job performance.
That is all that should matter.
Obviously, your view differs.
Perhaps I am your Boss. I don't like you. All I need to do is sit back and monitor your "Social Media."
Gotcha'. Now your Fired.
Fair? No. Not at all.
His comment reflects his attitude towards a race he refers to as 'they'. While there are both black and white BLM participants, he has singled out blacks.
I don't see where it is a good thing to have that type of attitude in a public school. Perhaps you have personal knowledge of this guy, but absent knowing him and what he does for the school, you cannot possibly know whether his attitude may or may not effect his job performance. The post on twitter may not have anything to do with his job performance, but the underlying attitude very well may.
I would not hire someone who had posted something that stupid in public, and while I may not fire him for it, he would receive guidance that such an attitude is not welcome in our organization, and a second public utterance like that would result in him being shown the door.
Not sure what fair has to do with it. An employer should be able to shape the culture of his organization. Those that do not fit and are publicly vocal should leave.0 -
It all boils down to information and follow the rules. The only thing is Human emotions gets in the way. Remember actions are louder then words. Balance in all things should be your motto. They have been checking your credit score a long before the internet.The Red Chinese social score system is coming to The USA, but with a twist of multiculturalism. Bet on it. The USA has always dreamed of an Utopia where all mankind is equal. It's the brass ring of Nineveh and Babylon they are seeking.
serfMulticulturalism describes the existence, acceptance, or promotion of multiple cultural traditions within a single jurisdiction, usually considered in terms of the culture associated with an ethnic group.
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It is rare that I respond to anything that is as sensitive as the things going on currently, simply because people are very emotional and passionate right now for their viewpoint.
I would imagine that most if not all City, County, State and Federal agencies have a very clearly stated policy about online conduct.
This teacher most likely indicated on their Social Media page that they were a teacher with the aforementioned school district and then posted the comments (and yes they were racially biased comments). What this does is shine an unfavorable light on the employer.
Does the person have Freedom of Speech? Yes
Did the person exercise that freedom? Yes
However with every right comes responsibility and consequences. Even the 2A.
Both mine and my wife's company have clearly defined areas dealing with Social Media and the actions they can take, up to and including termination.
In the 26 years I was in the military, it was clearly defined that we did not do anything to bring discredit to the service or the nation. Pretty simple.
What about parents perception of this teacher's views? I have a biracial Grand Niece that I am not sure I would want this teacher to be in charge of in a classroom.
Would you be okay with a teacher espousing views in support of the Black Panthers or Nation of Islam? Would you want that teacher to be in charge of your children or grandchildren for 6-8 hours a day?
I am not excusing the actions of the criminals who are causing chaos in the streets. They should be punished IAW the laws on the books.
I fully support those Americans who are peacefully protesting. We have pockets of problems in all aspects of our society that see people who are not white as less equal. That is not what we as a nation are founded on.
I disagree with erasing our past simply because it has ugly aspects to it. It is what made us what we are today. We will always have a need to improve ourselves as a people and a nation.0 -
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'If they don't like it in America, give them a ticket back to Africa..?'
Nothing benign in that indeed. Their ancestors did not come here because they wanted to open pizza parlors in Queens, they had no choice, they were considered property, not unlike how the muslims view women today. Suspension is probably too mild. I would ship his butt back to Africa.
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