Civil War.....
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We have been headed towards a new Civil War, for quite some time now.
My question is what will kick it off? I believe total gun confiscation would be one. (Democrats being Elected and trying it.) There may not be a majority, but there are enough of us who will say "No." To make a difference. (3%?)
The other would be all the "Freebies," that have been handed out for decades are unable to be sustained.
There are many others. Personally, I do not watch the "News." (I used to be a News j u n k i e.) I have heard nothing about the rioting taking place, except for here. I get my News from GBGD.
As the Realtors say: it is Location, location, location. Nothing going on out here in the boonies.
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Most likely not. If history is any indication, law abiding white (generally) folks will back down. The protected people will continue to act like animals until their bloodlust is satisfied and their Christmas shopping is done. No one will do shit to the looters and anyone that tries will be squashed. 0 -
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Most likely not. If history is any indication, law abiding white (generally) folks will back down. The protected people will continue to act like animals until their bloodlust is satisfied and their Christmas shopping is done. No one will do shit to the looters and anyone that tries will be squashed.I believe that to a point Sir.
There will come a time, that this type of behavior gets so out of control that the "Law Abiding Folk," will say "Enough. I've had enough of this crap." That time will eventually come. (Or we will be bulldozed.) Some people may take that. There are enough that will not, to start it up. When my house, my property, my friends, my family are threatened - Personally, I will say "Enough." I'm old enough (59 in two mo.) To say IDGAS, bring it.
No brag. Fact.
The other thing I would like to say, is that - that crap my fly in the Cities, but bring it to the rural outposts. It will be a different story.
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I remember a guy back in 1994 at the space center who kept saying "It comin, its comin The RW is comin".
When prodded he would say he is not a racist cuz he likes Negroes (Not the "N" word he used)
Yes, Black folk have a higher ratio involved in crime and yes black folk are the majority that come out acting like animals looting and destroying, But
But, the majority of Americans who are of African decent (we are all a decent person) are hard working law abiding fine people and to assume they are gonna rise up in a glorious war to take what da man has been keepin from dem dat is rightfully dere's is just absurd
There well may be a meltdown because of the dollar collapsing or an international economic collapse of unimaginable levels or whatever but listen up
The will not be a frigging, Frellen, Fracking Race War
(Sorry if I threw cold water on some who may be having a not so dry dream to finally become that KKKer they always dreamt about)0 -
For most of us. It is not about the "Color," it is about the behavior. YVMD.
I agree it is not about "Race." It is about Acceptable behavior vs. Unacceptable behavior.
It will not be a "Race" war, it will be a "I have had enough of this Unacceptable Behavior War."
White, Black, Brown, Purple. It is not your Color, it is how you act and conduct yourself. If you have no respect for me, I will have no respect for you. I don't care what your color is. (And) Will treat you as such.
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No, I don't think so. When this episode is done two things will have been accomplished. The original message the protesters were trying to get across will be lost in the looting, burning and violence, and some will use this to enrich themselves. Whether it is the new flat screen stolen during the riots or people like Jesse and Al that increase their wealth by again becoming relevant to a portion of the population. Money will be thrown at the problem to rebuild so that those that profit can do it all over again in a few years. As a society we seem to have come to accept this as the new norm and just the cost of doing business. Doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result proves as a society we are insane. Bob 6 -
The "Law abiding folk" will eventually have enough of this "problem," Bob.
When they take it to the "Wrong Guy, wrong situation," it will make the News. (And) the "Guy" will be justified in protecting himself, his house, his property, and his Family.
Some people are Not Sheep. (And) Will fight back given the proper motivation.
Act like an Animal, get treated like an Animal. I don't care what your Color is.
Some people have the necessities needed to fight back, if the situation requires it. If you do not, then well, that is on you, and your lack of preparedness.
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As long as they're burning and looting their own town I say let'em have at it. They'll find it a whole lot different when they come out of the big city and try that crap where the real Americans live. 9 -
The riots have nothing to do with the mans death.
The riots are people acting in a violent criminal manner, destroying public and private property, looting and burning cities across America. The rioters should be dealt with in whatever manner needed to stop them from rioting at all.6 -
I think another Kent State episode is coming soon. This time the riot folks will fire a shot. Game on. 0 -
Back when we really did have serious race problems during the Nam era, militias sprang up here and there. These guys were ready for bear. Of course this action was in response to race problems and the likes of Malcom X...the Black Panthers, and the Nation of Islam (NOI) members/supporters and associated attacks on innocent individuals, that included a lot of murders and mayhem of one sort or another...which seems to have culminated with riotings, burnings, shootings and bombings including those of Ruby Ridge, Waco, and Oklahoma City.
Today, we don't have the bad ass black and white activity anywhere close to what we had in those days...so we ALL need to consider ourselves lucky. So what's the diff between then and now.
The diff, in a few major respects and on the surface, is a militaristic law enforcement type establishment, a refined type of military establishment, and criminal politicians who are protected by the news media at all levels, who also protect each other, where people like you and I would never see the light of day again, had we committed crimes like our politicians. Too many of these people do as they please and to hey with what their constituents want. Many of those people in the O'Bama administration, including him, were as corrupt as it comes and they walked free, some as multi millionaires, and now they are touted by the media and the misguided as having achieved world wide fame where popularity is concerned - include some Fox News reporting where Obama, himself, is concerned.
What we need to do is rise to the occasion and unite in one of two ways, both ways deal with acceptance of each other in a generic fashion or by accepting each other as we come, with MOST BUT NOT ALL of our baggage, such as T-Shirts, hats, insignia, slogans, flags, symbols, heritage, etc., that might be seen by some as being offensive. So, leave your DA MAN OWES US REPERARTIONS BS SUITCASE DA BASEMENT! Do this and good things will happen.0 -
I wasn't talking about you and I in my reference to society as a whole. I will have no problem if trouble should come to my neck of the woods defending me and mine. Sadly you and I and others on this board are becoming a minority. I fear that the first time someone stands up to these thugs they will be vilified by the media, lawyers and politicians. This will discourage many others from standing up to the thugs and that is the problem. During the Rodney King riots we saw armed shopkeepers defending their lives and property. I didn't see any reports of that in the coverage of the riots this time. Liberal mayors and governors have discouraged self reliance as well as accountability. The Minn. mayors office passed out masks to the rioters yesterday. How screwed up is that? BobKenK/84Bravo said:The "Law abiding folk" will eventually have enough of this "problem," Bob.
When they take it to the "Wrong Guy, wrong situation," it will make the News. (And) the "Guy" will be justified in protecting himself, his house, his property, and his Family.
Some people are Not Sheep. (And) Will fight back given the proper motivation.
Act like an Animal, get treated like an Animal. I don't care what your Color is.
Some people have the necessities needed to fight back, if the situation requires it. If you do not, then well, that is on you, and your lack of preparedness.
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I wished I had a solution to solve this mess but I don't. When a man cries out for "Mama" something is terribly wrong. Civil War?Many, many times on the Battlefield since the beginning of time Soldiers have cried out for "Mama" before they drew their last breath. Sad. 0 -
Nailed it SmittySmitty500mag said:As long as they're burning and looting their own town I say let'em have at it. They'll find it a whole lot different when they come out of the big city and try that crap where the real Americans live.
DEMOCRATs destroying DEMOCRAT utopias.
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KenK/84Bravo - There will be no "Civil War". There's no money in it. I do ponder at times when "riots" take place. How many folks will take up arms to get this "Civil War" going? I'll bet the ones that did will be "spun" in media as a nutter and not a patriot. If the civilians stop paying taxes as a "protest" we will be jailed or at the very least take our homes. Looters loot as a "protest" they'll get help loading the 80" HDTV and a free install in their new homes. Their old homes strangely caught fire.
As long as criminals got "rights" the understanding society will just have to abide. Here in California where the criminals and flavor of politicians are getting fat on the "law abiding". If I were to protect my property, I will be relieved of that said property by the government and given to the criminal I wronged. If I am not killed by the cops or by the criminals I will be behind bars so I really didn't need to protect my property.
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Yosh, if it comes, it will not be about "the money." It will be about the Law Abiding folk, who work for everything they have and generally mind their own business, getting fed up enough about getting ripped off through taxes to give a large percentage of what they earn to give to those that have no desire to earn anything at all. (But) Those same people want and demand what you and I have anyway.
The other thing is the Lawlessness that seems to be creeping in, and being tolerated/condoned across the Country, as well as incremental loss of Rights and Liberties. (Kimi,) I feel Race relations are about as bad as I have ever experienced in my lifetime, exasperated by actions by the Obama Administration and perpetuated by the Inner City culture. More accurately this problem comes back to a lack of a Culture. This lack of a Culture is worse than I have ever seen it, and rapidly getting worse. (For example the looting, rioting and burning currently taking place in the Cities.) The Floyd murder is just an excuse, for this behavior, not the root cause.
If you are afraid of protecting your own Property, perhaps you should move to a State that has the Castle Doctrine. I live in one, and am not afraid to do what would be necessary to protect my Property, Friends and Family. (Not all States are like CA.) It was your choice to live there. It was my choice to live in a State that is Firearms friendly and allows it's Citizens the right to protect themselves. You still have the Right to choose where you live in this Country.
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Ken - I don’t wholeheartedly agree with you. While it’s true that castle and stand your ground states might make it legal to defend yourself / property, anyone that does so will open themselves to a royal siht storm. If you defend your property, you’re likely going to end up losing your property and become bankrupt in the process. I wish it were not the case but nowadays if you’re in the right, you’re wrong...KenK/84Bravo said:If you are afraid of protecting your own Property, perhaps you should move to a State that has the Castle Doctrine. I live in one, and am not afraid to do what would be necessary to protect my Property, Friends and Family. (Not all States are like CA.) It was your choice to live there. It was my choice to live in a State that is Firearms friendly and allows it's Citizens the right to protect themselves. You still have the Right to choose where you live in this Country.
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I respect you opinion Wearytraveler. However, anyone in my house at night can expect to meet Mr. 12 ga. Hardly any break ins where I live. The concept of everyone owning firearms and your gonna get shot, seems to resonate.
This Country needs a little more of that.
I am sure a Marine like you, is not going to cower in a corner if/when someone bust down your door, or has the audacity to come in your house uninvited while you are home. Pretty sure, we would both do the same thing.
Look at your signature line my Brother.
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I’m not saying I won’t. I’m just saying that I’d need to weigh the results. When criminals have more protections than law abiding Citizens, it’s a crapshoot (pun intended!). 3 -
I think what weary is saying, correct me if I am wrong, is the castle will protect you from criminal prosecution, but the family can still prosecute you in civil court for money, remember every crook is a total angel with no criminal past once they are killed........... 0 -
That may work in certain areas of the Country. Around here, you break in to someones House, it is somewhat expected you are going to get shot.
I trust the Jury's in this area, to do the right thing.
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Ken, I like your perspective on race relations as you have noted. In one sense race relations appear to be much worse than they were during the NAM era, especially in the age of social media. It's hard for me to gauge...maybe I was too close...in a physical sense...when I was a younger man.KenK/84Bravo said:Yosh, if it comes, it will not be about "the money." It will be about the Law Abiding folk, who work for everything they have and generally mind their own business, getting fed up enough about getting ripped off through taxes to give a large percentage of what they earn to give to those that have no desire to earn anything at all. (But) Those same people want and demand what you and I have anyway.
The other thing is the Lawlessness that seems to be creeping in, and being tolerated/condoned across the Country, as well as incremental loss of Rights and Liberties. (Kimi,) I feel Race relations are about as bad as I have ever experienced in my lifetime, exasperated by actions by the Obama Administration and perpetuated by the Inner City culture. More accurately this problem comes back to a lack of a Culture. This lack of a Culture is worse than I have ever seen it, and rapidly getting worse. (For example the looting, rioting and burning currently taking place in the Cities.) The Floyd murder is just an excuse, for this behavior, not the root cause.
If you are afraid of protecting your own Property, perhaps you should move to a State that has the Castle Doctrine. I live in one, and am not afraid to do what would be necessary to protect my Property, Friends and Family. (Not all States are like CA.) It was your choice to live there. It was my choice to live in a State that is Firearms friendly and allows it's Citizens the right to protect themselves. You still have the Right to choose where you live in this Country.
In trying to compare and contrast the differences we find there are many similarities with one of them being the rioting, looting, and burning of property during protests. This never seems to change, but today we have the radical, militant factions of all race and ethnicities...i.e. the Socialist/ Communist/Fascist that includes the ANTIFA punks, joining in with thousands of college students and other far out groups. All of which have different agendas, but generally support the race hustling BLM'ers and their misguided followers of different stripes...which makes the protests of today so much different from those of the past that centered primarily on blacks. Hence the daily and frenzied call for continuing reparations on a million fronts due to the crowding-out or diluted focus and bennies they now get. And John Q. Public is tired of supporting the hustler factions with their tax dollars, which is just another form of constant reparation payments.
During the NAM era there were a lot of hate crime's committed by militant blacks in civil and military settings. This was due to a myriad of so called reasons, many of which are bound to be the same. Black leadership in government and like organizations such as the Black Caucus, NAACP, Nation of Islam, the Black Panthers, to include, their civil rights leaders and so called religious leaders like Malcolm X, Jesse Jackson, and Jeremiah "GD AMERICA" Wright - O'BAMA'S spiritual leader etc., stirring up the pot of hate and discontent. They are still doing it and O'BAMA brought lots of gas to the White House, so who knows, perhaps, there have been more hate crimes including murders against other people by militant blacks in, say, the past twenty years than they were during the NAM era.
You mentioned culture or the lack thereof as the root cause for this behavior. With this in mind, is any sort of protesting body and violent activity ever legitimate against authority, as you see it?0 -
There is "Protesting," Kimi, then there is "Rioting." Two different entities. Two different causes and two different type people involved.
Burning, looting, and beating innocent people crosses the line, and should denote a beat down, at the very least. Incarceration in every instance, IMHO. Shot, would be okay also.
There is indeed a violent activity that Should take place, in defense of our Constitutional/Bill of Rights. (And) I am for that uprising. Not "I needs me a big screen TV for free," BS. You know what I am talking about. Major difference.
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I see most of these kind of events as protesting where things devolved into riot type activities, some worse than others. Take the events in Seattle and other major cities yesterday. The vast majority of the people attending them are not looters and burners. Yet riotous activities took place with them being present.KenK/84Bravo said:There is "Protesting," Kimi, then there is "Rioting." Two different entities. Two different causes and two different type people involved.
Burning, looting, and beating innocent people crosses the line, and should denote a beat down, at the very least. Incarceration in every instance, IMHO. Shot, would be okay also.
There is indeed a violent activity that Should take place, in defense of our Constitutional/Bill of Rights. (And) I am for that uprising. Not "I needs me a big screen TV for free," BS. You know what I am talking about. Major difference.
On crossing lines: Who crossed the line first where seriously unacceptable law enforcement behavior is concerned.0 -
Talk of revolution? Its all talk. There is nothing civil about any war. What we are seeing in the streets with rioting is childs play to what a 2nd US civil war would bring....
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KenK/84Bravo - Sure it's about the money. It's always about the money. The folks that pay taxes but not middle class (like me) and aren't represented. Yeah I'm dumb to stay and take it, then bitch about it and do nothing. The system broke me and starting over at my age scares. Sure I'm pretty but that only go so far these days. Without a "real" safety net, other than the cash from the condo sale that ain't much of a do over.
Understanding society will be the end of US.
Moving away is a temporary solution since bad just follows (see Oregon and Washington State). I ain't gonna move every 10/15 years.
As for "culture" what was the American culture? Consumerism? Marginalizing folks?
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Good luck over there yoshy 0
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