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A quality trigger makes a HUGE difference in shooting a gun

bpost
I am a trigger snob.  The MADORE 1911 wad cutter gun I bought from Perry Shooter has a trigger like a glass rod, it makes shooting errors all mine.  The Anschutz 1414 trigger from the factory has one of the fastest lock times of any rifle made.  It too breaks like a glass rod and can be safely set to mere ounces in pull weight. The Ruger 22 match pistol got a Volquartsen Match Trigger installed several years back.  My scores went up by 3-4 points slow fire and about the same timed and rapid fire. 
Many times I have shown new AR platform shooter the value in a good drop in match grade trigger.  We will put his rifle on the bench with the issue AR trigger and shoot the best groups we can with that trigger.  I will tear out the standard trigger and install a match grade drop in modular trigger with a three pound pull.  Group size will drop by up to half at 100 yards. Using locking trigger pins prevents pin walking, they are highly recommended improvements
I have two Encore frames.  The blued one had trigger work done by MrBruce and it will out-shoot the stainless frame with every barrel tried.
My 1903 Springfield Sporter has a Timnney trigger; that war surplus rifle shoots with rifles costing three times as much.
The G-34 Gen 5 had the standard factory Glock JUNK trigger; after installing the Johnny Glock Match trigger the gun came alive and is now my favorite gun to shoot a lot on the home range out to 100 yards.
The 10-22 has a horrid factory trigger.  After a lot of bench shooting with different ammo it was determined the trigger had to go.  I did not want to spend more on the trigger that the rifle costs so I chose to go with the new Ruger trigger assembly for $80 bucks over the Volquartsen gem they offer.  Paying $275 for a Voquartsen trigger on a $200 dollar gun did not seem like the best use of my airplane money.  The new trigger will be here next week.

Anyone else find that the trigger is the most important change out one can make to get a gun shooting better?

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  • dcon12
    I have always felt a trigger necessary. Don
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  • drobs
    I too like a good custom trigger but I recommend folks 1st learn the stock trigger.
    Doing that allows you to pick up just about any gun you are familiar with and use it effectively.


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  • danielgage
    I put Timnney triggers on my old Savage and my boys old Savage 300WSM sure makes them shoot better
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  • TANK78Z
    a Kidd 10/22 trigger kit is about $100.00 put it in my 2 10-22's target models and my Charger. They are like day and night, perfectly crisp and light trigger with perfect feel on all three, made me a much better target shooter, smallest and most consistent groups I ever got out of any of the three using the same SK ammo. 
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  • chiefr
    danielgage said:
    I put Timnney triggers on my old Savage and my boys old Savage 300WSM sure makes them shoot better
    Yep, go back years and to date, dropping in a Timney was a natural act with most everything and still applies to most everything today. 
    Can think of one exception and that would be the ACCU Triggers in all modern Savage bolt guns. Even the budget Axis Models have their ACCU Triggers installed. Savage triggers IMHO are far superior to any Ruger, Win, Rem and many other bolt guns. 

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  • jimdeere
    If Savage can get it right, why can’t the other manufacturers? I shot my BIL’s Bersa .380 yesterday and was pleasantly surprised by the smooth crisp trigger. Usually I can’t hit squat with a small 380 but we were both shooting this one well.
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  • danielgage
    chiefr said:
    danielgage said:
    I put Timnney triggers on my old Savage and my boys old Savage 300WSM sure makes them shoot better
    Yep, go back years and to date, dropping in a Timney was a natural act with most everything and still applies to most everything today. 
    Can think of one exception and that would be the ACCU Triggers in all modern Savage bolt guns. Even the budget Axis Models have their ACCU Triggers installed. Savage triggers IMHO are far superior to any Ruger, Win, Rem and many other bolt guns. 


    yes sir the rifles I was referring to were made before Accutriggers 
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  • KenK/84Bravo
    jimdeere: 31539970869659/comments/31539947331099
    If Savage can get it right, why can’t the other manufacturers? I shot my BIL’s Bersa .380 yesterday and was pleasantly surprised by the smooth crisp trigger. Usually I can’t hit squat with a small 380 but we were both shooting this one well.

    Shot my Brothers Bersa .380 a bunch of years ago at an indoor range in Richmond, with a bunch of other hanguns. I was really good with it. My Brothers wife wanted to step up to a 9mm, so I bought the Bersa from my Brother. Love that gun. An underappreciated value in the gun market.

    I have a Geiselle trigger in my Essential Arms J-15. Installed by the gunsmith up North that did quite a bit of work to it for me before shipping it down. I like it. I traded a nice bring back 1942 Nambu type 14, new holster and 300 rounds of 8mm Nambu rounds for it. (And) Some $$ after having quite a few mods done to it.

    I have a couple Savages with Accutriggers. Yes, they are head shoulders better than other stock triggers. I believe heavy triggers from the manufacturers are a liability issue. (The reason they do it.)

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  • Geri
    Volqurtsen, Kidd, and Jewell. These work for me.
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  • BobJudy
    bpost said:
    I am a trigger snob.  The MADORE 1911 wad cutter gun I bought from Perry Shooter has a trigger like a glass rod, it makes shooting errors all mine.  The Anschutz 1414 trigger from the factory has one of the fastest lock times of any rifle made.  It too breaks like a glass rod and can be safely set to mere ounces in pull weight. The Ruger 22 match pistol got a Volquartsen Match Trigger installed several years back.  My scores went up by 3-4 points slow fire and about the same timed and rapid fire. 
    Many times I have shown new AR platform shooter the value in a good drop in match grade trigger.  We will put his rifle on the bench with the issue AR trigger and shoot the best groups we can with that trigger.  I will tear out the standard trigger and install a match grade drop in modular trigger with a three pound pull.  Group size will drop by up to half at 100 yards. Using locking trigger pins prevents pin walking, they are highly recommended improvements
    I have two Encore frames.  The blued one had trigger work done by MrBruce and it will out-shoot the stainless frame with every barrel tried.
    My 1903 Springfield Sporter has a Timnney trigger; that war surplus rifle shoots with rifles costing three times as much.
    The G-34 Gen 5 had the standard factory Glock JUNK trigger; after installing the Johnny Glock Match trigger the gun came alive and is now my favorite gun to shoot a lot on the home range out to 100 yards.
    The 10-22 has a horrid factory trigger.  After a lot of bench shooting with different ammo it was determined the trigger had to go.  I did not want to spend more on the trigger that the rifle costs so I chose to go with the new Ruger trigger assembly for $80 bucks over the Volquartsen gem they offer.  Paying $275 for a Voquartsen trigger on a $200 dollar gun did not seem like the best use of my airplane money.  The new trigger will be here next week.

    Anyone else find that the trigger is the most important change out one can make to get a gun shooting better?

    I think you will like the Ruger BX trigger for the 10/22. No it isn't a match trigger like some of the $250 - 500 dollar replacements you can buy but it is a vast improvement over the regular trigger. I got mine for the princely sum of $20 including shipping here on Gunbroker. Tried a couple of the high dollar ones on friends 10/22 builds and I could tell the difference, but not enough to justify the extra several hundred dollars. I have several replacement triggers on rifles including a Timney on an 03 as well. One thing I have noticed is that you are more likely to get a decent factory rifle trigger now than you were 10 years ago. Even my AR ( Rock River ) that I bought during the Obama years has a good enough trigger that it shoots better than I can. Bob


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  • bustedknee
    bpost said:
    ....  The MADORE 1911 wad cutter gun I bought from Perry Shooter has a trigger like a glass rod, it makes shooting errors all mine.  ....

    You aren't a snob, you are a good shot that realizes the connection between shooter and firearm is THE TRIGGER!


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  • asop
    I've had trigger springs changed on many a firearm.  I  either had it done or did it myself.  Makes a big difference and a trigger "shoe" also helps.  Having some of the rifle barrels "accurized" also helped in may humble opinion.
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  • gruntled2
    Long ago (over fifty years) I bought a Japanese Arisaka rifle. I found a Timney trigger in a cheap parts box that dropped right in. Turned a sow's ear into a silk purse. The only ammo available was horribly priced Norma so I had to make the cases from 30/06. Very easy to do but I did lose quite a few to dents.
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  • bigal125
    I think you will like the Ruger BX trigger for the 10/22. No it isn't a match trigger like some of the $250 - 500 dollar replacements you can buy but it is a vast improvement over the regular trigger. I got mine for the princely sum of $20 including shipping here on Gunbroker.

    Good grief, how long ago did you buy that Ruger trigger? I did a search for them and the lowest I found was $56.95 and up! :o

    https://www.gunbroker.com/Gun-Parts/search?Keywords=Ruger%20BX%20trigger&PageSize=96&Sort=13 

    I agree with bpost, though, concerning Ruger 10-22 triggers. In my experience, they've been the worst problem with a great .22 rifle. Replacing/repairing the trigger group would change it from "great" to "fantastic" in a heartbeat. But the cost of the match triggers can run even more than the cost of the rifle! Even the Ruger BXs have me choking a little bit at their costs, hence the question to Bob above ... $20 plus free shipping? Wow, I bow to your expertise! ;):)

    Big Al (on the other hand, my better half has mentioned that, if the 10-22 had a better trigger, she might have to trade me her .22 for mine! Hmmmm... ;)  )


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  • BobJudy
    bigal125 said:
    I think you will like the Ruger BX trigger for the 10/22. No it isn't a match trigger like some of the $250 - 500 dollar replacements you can buy but it is a vast improvement over the regular trigger. I got mine for the princely sum of $20 including shipping here on Gunbroker.

    Good grief, how long ago did you buy that Ruger trigger? I did a search for them and the lowest I found was $56.95 and up! :o

    https://www.gunbroker.com/Gun-Parts/search?Keywords=Ruger%20BX%20trigger&PageSize=96&Sort=13 

    I agree with bpost, though, concerning Ruger 10-22 triggers. In my experience, they've been the worst problem with a great .22 rifle. Replacing/repairing the trigger group would change it from "great" to "fantastic" in a heartbeat. But the cost of the match triggers can run even more than the cost of the rifle! Even the Ruger BXs have me choking a little bit at their costs, hence the question to Bob above ... $20 plus free shipping? Wow, I bow to your expertise! ;):)

    Big Al (on the other hand, my better half has mentioned that, if the 10-22 had a better trigger, she might have to trade me her .22 for mine! Hmmmm... ;)  )


    Got it about a year ago. It was an auction with a .01 start and no reserve. The description did not say BX but I could see that it was from the picture. I put in a $15 max bid and forgot about it. Got the notice that I won it for $11 and change and with shipping it was actually just under $20. I guess not many people noticed it was a BX. Checking the bid history and only one other bid on it and $11 must have been his max. I'm lucky once in a while.😉 Bob
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