Anyone burning up ammunition
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No way!!!
Too expensive
Dirty up the gun
Bullets are dangerous3 -
Well I did test a SxS shotgun yesterday. 0 -
I shoot just about every day. Today was 22LR day with my Ruger 10-22. I burned up about 100 rounds or so just plinking. Another day may be 9MM day then 357 mag followed by 45ACP then on to rifles. It just depends on the mood I am in and making the choice between handguns and rifles. 3 -
daughter was over last night we shot up about half a can of pellets, chasing golf balls around the back yard...... 6 -
I have a rather odd .22 rimfire savage semiautomatic rifle with a tube feed magazine...
The left side of the receiver has a row of identical vertical gills or cooling relief slots - a very odd oversized round bolt knob...
It fires from an open bolt and will feed and function with .22 long rifle - .22 long - and .22 shorts...
You can even mix these different length rimfire rounds in the magazine tube and it functions without a hiccup...
You can mix subsonic and standard and high velocity ammo and it just keeps going...
Another odd feature is that if you hold the trigger back - if you don't release the trigger after you fire a round the bolt will stay in the rear open position until you release it...
The oversized round bolt knob can be manipulated to hold the action open and I suspect can be set so the gun operates as a straight pull manual bolt action rather them a semiautomatic...
It's a strange vintage piece and my understanding is that they did not make many and it had a short production run period...
I have several coffee jars full of mixed .22 rimfire ammo of all lengths and speeds and configurations and ages and brands - and what I like is that I can just dump random mixes of ammo into the magazine tube and it shoots all of it flawlessly..
I am unaware of any modern .22 rimfire semiautomatic rifle with a tube feed mag that can duplicate these abilities...
It sounds pretty neat when you fire a a string of mixed ammo - pop pow zip bang poof crack bzzt ping...
I have been burning up some of my coffee jars of mixed .22's through it...
And okay maybe I do still have a dozen full jars of this stuff.
I have been using the factory iron sights though I have been considering tossing a scope on it just to see how things go.
Mike
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Yes that's the one...
It's a damned odd design and seems to be unique in its capabilities - I wonder why it dead ended and never went anywhere - why none of the features were adopted on other guns...
Great visual in the video of the bolt staying back until the trigger is released - I wonder about this gun and it's features...
Anybody have one or have some input / lore on it???
Mike
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my dad had one of the savage 22 's ( the only rifle he owned and one shotgun ) as a kid I remember it hanging on the wall as far back as I can remember always loaded and countless kids family and neighbors coming and going yet no one ever touch it amazing how kids were different
any way about 35 + years or so I took the gun home to give it a cleaning I discovered all the unique things about it at first I thought it was broke when dad came out I pointed it out honest I do not think he had ever fired it all ( if he did it was long forgotten ) the years he had it I remember him surprised when I showed him how it worked
I found it weird and neat at the same time I too thought it was ahead of its time with the single shot mode the locked open or closed set up and how as long as you hold the trigger in the bolt will stay in open position that was the weird part
it shoots short , long or long rifle ammo about 4 years before he passed away he gave me the two guns and later on a pistol he had that's another story
however that day shooting it was the last time it was shot and first time him or I had shot it .
one of my sons will end up with it along with a few more guns and ammo I have
thinking on now I better show it to them and explain its history and its quirks . I am due to do my twice a year safe empty and wipe down so it will be a prime time to do so
sorry not trying to take over the post but wanted to do the back ground on the old 22
will add in I doubt if dad gave very much for 22 or maybe did some trading we never had a lot and spending money on a gun was bottom of the list the shotgun he owned was a 16 ga mossberg when I turned 16 and got a job I ask mom to split the cost for a Christmas present for him he always said he wanted a 16 ga . we bought it at Woolworth for 59.00 or 69.00 I do not recall for sure .
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Interestingly my go to reference works not only don't expound upon or provide much detail concerning the guns unique operation and selectable features - they don't indicate production dates or total number made...
If a rifle with these features were introduced today it would be the bees knees and the talk of the town and written up in every trade publication or periodical...
I know that you guys as a group trust my opinion and assessment but I have in the past tried to describe this rifle elsewhere and have faced disbelief and derision...
People just plain don't believe that a gun of this type exists or was made in the United States - or that it was produced way back when and then seems to have dead ended and disappeared...
I also suspect that the feature of the bolt staying open and back until the trigger is released - this odd function was introduced to prevent easy conversion to fully automatic operation...
I did not pay much for mine - seemed like an unwanted orphan and sat on the shelf for a long time - I bought it not knowing about it's special functions because I tend to acquire and hoard cheap vintage .22 rimfire rifles...
I really would think that achieving the functionality this gun has would be difficult from an engineering and patent and manufacturing point of view...
I also would expect that many members here would be very interested and intrigued with this gun.
Period advertising for this gun must be amazing if examples are still extant and readily available for review...
When you fire the gun as it cycles and you get used to releasing the trigger to keep the gun going you notice a definitive and distinct "chunk" sound and there is a special feel to the gun as it cycles - the feedback you get through your cheek and shoulder and trigger hand and the sound it makes are a bit odd.
Mike
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Have been an accumulator of .22s for a while, have a couple of the "click clack" rifles. About 6 months ago friend that is a smith had one brought in with a complaint it would not cycle semi-auto. Showed the smith the bolt handle was in wrong position- he looked at it, said "You have GOT to be kidding!".
Another unusual action was the Mossberg 151K. Made in 1950 and 51. Loaded thru the buttstock. When action was cycled, it TOSSED a cartridge from the mag tube thru the air and straight into the chamber. Could not believe they designed it that way, but they worked very well.
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Gill gun - old clickity clack - the 3 in 1 gun - the all in one gun - the rifle of the future...
Looks like production of the 6 and 6A ended in 1946 - the bulk of production taking place in 1939 - I would apply the pre war or treaty of Versailles period nomenclature to this rifle...
In limited numbers this gun while never catching on also never seemed to die - as it kept being offered in small lots under a bewildering number of hardware store and department store private label name variants (Sears - Montgomery Ward - Springfield - Stevens - abicrombie and Fitch - Griffin and Howe - ranger - J.C. Higgins - etc...)
Looks like if I want to put a scope on it I will need a special receiver mount (the gun was drilled and tapped at the factory) and will be limited to specific small diameter scopes that will mate with the rings...
Also looks like there are peep sights available but also non standard special items - there is a dovetail cut in the receiver for a specific Lyman peep sight and there is a peep sight that resembled a cocking piece mount...
So no easy cheap 3-9X40mm scope placed on top or swapped out from another gun (I wonder if the weaver 330 would fit the rings right)...
Looks like I cannot just grab a peep sight / aperture / target sight from my parts stockpile and just easily adapt it to or mount it on the rifle - no Williams neon yellow fiber optic fire sights...
I wonder given the time period of initial production and the later trade name small lot runs if there was a tennite or Bakelite or nylon stock available...
Looks like no drop in custom laminate target stock from Boyd's or anyone else - it would seem that the only option available would be a new old stock replacement from one of the numrich or Jack first style warehouses or finding a wood guy with a stock duplicator (to provide an exact copy but with better wood)...
I am thinking that all of these variants and trade name clones were made well before the 1968 GCA...
Some indications of a relationship to the Febider / Batavia prototype patterns and patents - but no satisfactory causal connection seems to have developed or been documented...
Savage refers to it as a variable autoloading type blow back platform with no mechanical breech block - and as take-down models...
Several sources quote the figure of approx 9,000 pieces total production all variants pre 1946 (mostly 1938 and 1939)
This action type was used in the .22 rimfire Garand trainer rifles and it's developmental prototypes / the 87M...
In the UK the Imperial War Museum has this gun on display - featuring a large exploded view of the action - a slow motion display of the gun cycling - and several examples of the original pre war production run variants - a large and permanent exhibit - part of their permanent patent architecture development collection...
Just doing some research and gleaning some info - thought I would pass it on and that you might enjoy reading the story of this gun as I piece it together...
Mike
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Thanks Mike
I knew it was a odd ball but never really looked into it . I assumed it was a some what common rife of the era and I was guessing the 40's or 50's and now thinking about it it may have the Stevens roll mark ,, .....thanks now I will have to dig it out to see what it really is LOL
we have strayed from the original post request for that I apologize to the group
the weather here is crappy it turned cold and wet last couple weeks so no shooting going on6 -
Yes - my intention was not to usurp or thread Jack the original post...
I certainly share selects interest in what firearms people are using to alleviate corona quarantine stress - I would like to hear what makes and models and types and variants and brands and calibers the membership has chosen to provide some range day style fun while keeping their skill levels sharp...
Have you chosen a fun comforting casual piece or is your focus tactical and self defense oriented - are folk simply honing their skills with their EDC CCW / primary home defense guns or are they breaking out old oddball obsolete out of production guns that perhaps have a special meaning or have simply not seen much use and need to up their round counts...
Select what specifically did you choose to get some trigger time on and why did you make those choices???
In addition to the above referenced and aforementioned quirky .22 rimfire rifle I also brought out a few of my strange and just plain peculiar guns...
I selected a Belgian made baby rolling block carbine chambered in 7.62x38mmR - the proprietary round used in the Russian nagant gas seal revolvers...
It's a fairly simple but well made bespoke piece - having an 18" half round half octagonal barrel with a recessed crown and a Schnabel forend...
The guns finish has gone to a mostly uniform dark slate gray with some case hardening still showing on the receiver and some straw coloring still evident on the hammer and trigger and several screw heads...
It's a Belgian guild gun made in liege - most likely on or near rue 22 and within sight of the gunsmith tower monument in the town center...
I would guess it was made in the 1895 - 1912 period...
Rear sight is a prominent notch that lines up with the brass bead front sight - again well executed and well made but fairly simple in configuration...
The gun shoots point of aim out to 50 yds and is capable of grouping it's rounds within a 12" circle if you concentrate and take care...
I have a crate full of Russian match grade target ammo for it made in the late 60's or early 70's that I have designated for this carbines specific use only - I do have some military surplus ammo and some more modern ammo in small odd lots but that's strictly for use in the revolver...
The gun is surprisingly quiet and there is almost no discernible recoil - while it hold it's own out to 50 yds it takes a rather abrupt ballistic nose dive after that...
I like to put out a 10" spinner / round flat plate at 50 yds and I find the gun relaxing and pleasant to use...
I cannot imagine it was ever intended as anything more than a companion piece to the nagant revolver - a carbine made for practicing and keeping ones rifle skills sharp...
I cannot imagine any other possible use for it as the ammo has a limited performance envelope...
I also suspect the gun was intended to be safe for inside / indoors target practice - but that's just an educated guess.
These are the 2 guns I have been blazing away with along with a pair of pistols...
Mike
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Mike you should not feel as though you hijacked the thread. Your posts are always interesting. 3 -
The children of the “6”guns lived on in the “87” series of models. . First rifle I learned to shoot and never found anything more accurate . Still have one I the safe. Maybe time to get it back out
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I need to go to a range to actually shoot since I live in the city. I don't do the indoor ranges here as you have to pay $20 an hour and I don't like them anyway. The closest outdoor one is 45 minutes away and for $18 I can shoot all day on 5 different ranges but its currently closed. 0 -
Wife shot her Steyr 25/06 this afternoon. 0 -
Had knee surgery in mid February, and while I was almost immobile, mounted a new Nikon P223 on one of my AR15's. Finally got around to shooting it today. My neighbor has a range that I can use at will, so drove my ATV over there to be able to get to the 150 yards targets. After bore sighting it and zeroing at 50 yards, I fine tuned it at 100. Moved on out to 150, and started shooting the steel hanging there. Burned through a total of 200 rounds playing around with it. The Nikon tracked perfectly. Had a good time. 0
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