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National coronavirus surveillance system

serf
The government wants to know if you have been exposed or not and take a blood test? All these new requirements to go back to work or travel seems Orwellian  now? I wonder if it's mandatory or just done without your consent anyway?
     I know my doctor makes me draw a clock with a certain time and remember four objects after a minute later.But now it's your DNA?

                                          serf
 

The proposed national network could help determine which areas of the country can safely relax social-distancing rules and which should remain vigilant. But it would also represent a significant expansion of government use of individual patient data, forcing a new reckoning over privacy limits amid a national crisis.

Health privacy laws already grant broad exceptions for national security purposes. But the prospect of compiling a national database of potentially sensitive health information has prompted concerns about its impact on civil liberties well after the coronavirus threat recedes, with some critics comparing it to the Patriot Act enacted after the 9/11 attacks.

Expert Warns that Recovered Virus Patients Could Remain Contagious

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUHYJf6WK-s

         

Do not expect there'll be a vaccine. Those who talked about how vaccines can be developed are all charlatans.???

a leaked internal speech, a Chinese military medical expert spoke to military medics and revealed that in recovered patients, the immune system is totally destroyed and they could remain contagious. The Epoch Times could not independently verify the claims this expert made. - A Chinese military medical expert revealed: I will remind you that this coronavirus (CCP virus) is just ferocious. You should protect yourself, you must. You must avoid contracting the virus and be very alert of this virus. It is very important to elevate your immunity. Why is it elevating your immunity the most important thing to do? You should not think of it as something not related to you. In fact, the medical field has long had suspicions about the origin of the virus. The first generation of the virus also spreads quickly, among family members. During the early outbreak, one third to half of the patients were dead. That was because the first generation of the virus was very potent. This is not as simple as pneumonia. This is huge. The in-patient specialists have reached a consensus. According to the current situation, the recovered patient could remain contagious. You will have to be careful at the clinics. Telemedicine could be the trend. So, you should find a way to avoid direct contact with these patients. You must pay high attention to thoroughly disinfecting the clinics. Now it shows that recovered patients continue to spread the virus. Do not expect a vaccine, let me tell you. Those who have been infected will have a lot of trouble. (Now that it has spread far and wide,) what's next, how it will develop later, no one has a clue. This virus, in fact, is how humans are going to self-destruct. There is absolutely nothing we can do about it. These last two slides are very simple. They tell you that anyone with the infection could very well become the carrier. Therefore, you have to know what I am talking about. People around you, only heaven knows (who's the carrier).







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  • serf

     You may be required to carry an I.D. card saying you have been infected and recovered? Sound kind'a Orwellian,There's more than that meets the eye on this one! Especially if it's like a HIV infection in any way.

                             serf
    It’s very likely that there are a large number of people out there that have been infected, have been asymptomatic, and did not know they were infected,” Dr. Fauci said. “If their antibody test is positive, one can formulate kind of strategies about whether or not they would be at risk or vulnerable to getting reinfected.”
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  • BobJudy
    These two posts seem to be contradictory. One is saying recovered patients will go out and infect everyone else. The other wants a registry of recovered patients because they will be the ones who can interact without contracting or passing on the virus. The choice is, unconfirmed Chinese info or Dr. Fauci and American officials. For the time being I will put my faith in the latter. Bob
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  • serf
    BobJudy said:
    These two posts seem to be contradictory. One is saying recovered patients will go out and infect everyone else. The other wants a registry of recovered patients because they will be the ones who can interact without contracting or passing on the virus. The choice is, unconfirmed Chinese info or Dr. Fauci and American officials. For the time being I will put my faith in the latter. Bob
      Read between the lines! They are saying you can possibly get reinfected! How can you get re-infective? If you have the anti-bodies? Or is this like HIV and remains in your body and could start spreading itself again? They are not telling or they don't know.
     So the two posts kind'a  connect. Maybe Children in school after being infective and cured could start another pandemic?? who Knows

                                        serf

    One can formulate kind of strategies about whether or not they would be at risk or vulnerable to getting reinfected.”

    https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/coronavirus-immunity-reinfection-get-covid-19-twice-sick-spread-relapse-a9400691.html
    No one knows for sure, but most children likely develop at least short-term immunity to the specific coronavirus that causes Covid-19,” Dr Peter Jung, an assistant professor of pediatrics at the University of Texas Medical School at Houston told The Huffington Post. “But just as the flu can mutate, so could Covid-19, which would make an individual susceptible to reacquiring the infection.”

    However, according to Dr Stephen Gluckman, an infectious diseases physician at Penn Medicine and the medical director of Penn Global Medicine, who spoke to the outlet, it seems likely that having the disease once results in immunity in most individuals - as is seen with other coronaviruses.

        

    A study on recovered Chttps://www.msn.com/en-ca/health/wellness/can-you-be-re-infected-after-recovering-from-coronavirus-heres-what-we-know-about-covid-19-immunity/ar-BB128AmCOVID-19 patients in the southern Chinese city of Shenzhen found that 38 out of 262, or almost 15% of the patients, tested positive after they were discharged. They were confirmed via PCR (polymerase chain reaction) tests, currently the gold standard for coronavirus testing. The study has yet to be peer reviewed, but offers some early insight into the potential for re-infection. The 38 patients were mostly young (below the age of 14) and displayed mild symptoms during their period of infection. The patients generally were not symptomatic at the time of their second positive test.





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  • BobJudy
    It makes sense that as or if the virus mutates then infection could reoccur. This is what happens with the flu virus every year. We build up antibodies from either recovering from the flu or through vaccination. As soon as a different strain (mutation) comes along we are again vulnerable. It may be that by killing off the original strain of covid19 our bodies are hastening evolution of the virus as the mutations then have no competition for survival. Vaccines are strain specific and that is why the normal flu vaccine is a combination for the several strains the CDC thinks will be prevalent. If you and I both recover from the coronavirus could we reinfect each other because of mutations that occurred as our bodies fought off the original infection? Will the future bring more versions of covid19 like happens with the normal flu which is also a coronavirus? Things to think about. Bob
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  • firstharmonic
    Well I for one believe everything coming out of China so...............
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  • NeoBlackdog
    If I'm remembering correctly having anti-bodies to the virus only means that your body has developed the ability to fight it off.  You can still be re-infected but your body will be able to more quickly destroy the virus.   You will be OK but you can still spread the virus to others that have not developed the Covid specific anti-bodies.  
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  • serf
    If I'm remembering correctly having anti-bodies to the virus only means that your body has developed the ability to fight it off.  You can still be re-infected but your body will be able to more quickly destroy the virus.   You will be OK but you can still spread the virus to others that have not developed the Covid specific anti-bodies.  
       W.H.O. is saying possibly reactivation now and not picking up the virus from outside source again, if true then it's acting like a HIV infection, that can be controlled but not cured.Also young people going back to school would be the biggest threat for another Pandemic if true. This is alarming to say the least.
                                                                          serf
      Reactivation is the mechanism whereby a latent virus that has infected a host cell switches to a lytic stage, undergoing productive viral replication and allowing the virus to spread. Viral reactivation is associated with several stress factors [1], including viral infection (with other viruses), nerve trauma, physiologic and physical changes (e.g., fever, menstruation and exposure to sunlight) and immunosuppression (as in cytomegalovirus [CMV] disease). However, increasing evidence suggest that reactivation frequently occurs in the absence of such stimuli. This premise asserts that viruses are continuously shed, but that reactivation only occurs when local immunity is compromised by stimuli such as fever, menstruation and exposure to sunlight [2]. Generally, a lytic cycle of virus infection in vitro can be induced in cells harboring a latent virus genome by treatment with 12-O-tetradecanoyl phorbol-13-acetate (TPA) [3]. Although we have an idea of the potential stimuli that may trigger virus reactivation from latency, the critical molecular factor (SWITCH) that triggers virus reactivation is still not clear.



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