lori vallow in court
and laughing and smiling and all made up like she was on candid camera ....... and the judge reduced her bail from $5M down to $1M and ordered an ankle monitor.....ohh the horror ??????...she disappears kids, flees off to hawaii, and they finally bring back to court where she says NOTHING and the "judge" cuts her a ton of slack.....for NOTHING...from the supreme court down to the local level our "justice" system is a disarrayed failure........
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Is there a crime that has been committed?
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I haven't heard what she was charged with. Let's face it, they're a weird bunch. With a pile of bodies behind them. 0 -
Crime?, yea, abandoned children? She says that the girl died? a year ago and no trace of either? Yea, something is rotten in Denmark, for sure. All you have to do is produce the children to see if they are in a safe place and not in Heaven like I suspect. 0 -
I’ve looked, but do not see where she has said her daughter died. A link would be worth reading. A relative says the kids are safe, and if tru, abandonment is a false charge. After having observed what was done at Ruby Ridge and then at Waco, I am very hesitant to jump on board when people are railroaded for what is perceived as unseemly beliefs. As of now, there is zero evidence that she has done anything. That may change, and if it does, my opinion will change with the facts.
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Something's rotten in Denmark. This is a case where, we need a powerful government to disclose the sordid facts. 0 -
Don M. the "media" said that is what she replied in court, just heard that on ABC, yes, I know, the "news" but that is what they reported once. Just tell the judge where the kids are and proceed from there. 0 -
This is big news here in Utah/Idaho, obviously. The whole thing stinks. She and hubby are playing the "dindunuffin" game thinking that silence will protect them. In truth, it's their stubborn silence which raises all the alarm hairs on the necks of the police. It's obvious what everyone fears, and the more the cops dig, the weirder and more suspicious the whole thing gets. 0 -
Where does the Constitution state that we have to produce our children to government for inspection. The 4th Amendment demands that probable cause exist. Is the fact that she will not produce her children to her estranged family probable cause? A slippery slope to be sure.
I guarantee to anyone that if the children are dead, they will not become any deader in the next month, year or decade. Likewise, if they are safe, they are very likely to remain so. The case started when estranged family members demanded a wellness check on the children, prompted in large degree because they believed Wallow's faith choices constituted a danger to the child. We have seen where government intrudes upon faith based decisions made by parents regarding medical care and gender orientation. Some are justified, I believe. Those that are justified are when there is a demonstrable danger to the health of the children.
This condition does not exist in this case. While there is some justification to be concerned, there is not, IMO, a Constitutionally based and demonstrable probable cause for her being charged. $ 1,000,000.00 bond because you refuse to produce your children so that a group of angry people who disagree with your religious beliefs can take them from you.
As noted, if actual evidence comes to light, I am open to the evolution of what I believe. I will not jump on the bandwagon of religious bigotry just because I think someone is a bit off-kilter.0 -
A little backroom waterboarding would answer a lot of questions......fast 
, despite John McCains personal feelings on whether you like it or not, there's times for it.0 -
DM ....i doubt the kids grandparents share your beliefs 0 -
WTH happened to the presumption of innocent until PROVEN guilty? WTH happened to the right to remain silent and a few other pesky things in the 5th Amendment? She has no obligation to help prosecute herself. 3 -
all she was asked was to show the court the kids were OK.....????? .... 0 -
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DM ....i doubt the kids grandparents share your beliefsThey certainly don’t share Vallow’s.
I am uncertain how the grandparents beliefs matter from a legal standpoint, however.
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spasmcreeksrun said:all she was asked was to show the court the kids were OK.....????? ....
Yup, and under our system, as flawed as it is she/they do not have to answer. Right, wrong or indifferent that is our system. In this particular case it STINKS but any deviation from it hurts all of us.0 -
many years ago in our small population county in the neighboring town several had noticed that one small boy seemed absent so talk grew and finally a welfare check by police happened (do not remember by what "legal" means) and they found the parents had kept the child locked in a small closet for over a year.....you can bloviate all you want about legal rights and have no cognizance of the situation till it happens in your family.... 0 -
That's the crux of it, spas. We aren't talking about a missing BIL Brucie or a lost uncle Lance. When it comes to minor children, it is a different issue altogether. Their legal rights trump those of adults supposedly responsible for them. 0 -
One of the podcasts I listened to covered a bit of this.....she was with a guy that was preaching the end of times and had a religious cult following. One of her friends in Hawaii said she told her that she was rather see her kids die before the end of days came. She is a total evil nut job for sure. 0 -
So Madison county and Rexburg proper is just up the road from us by 15 miles.
We know people who work at the jail and who are Deputies, word on the street according to My Bride, is that the women inmates currently incarcerated had made comments to the effect of “ when she gets in here, we will find out where those kids are”.
So this kind of talk may have swayed the new to his post judge to decide to lower the bail to a somewhat affordable level and require ankle jewelry to prevent anticipated harm to her in general population?
Everyone locally feels if the judge was that worried about her, he should have put her in solitary.
Who says a million dollar bond and ankle jewelry will keep her from running again.
The entire surrounding communities only can pray the the kids are stashed somewhere and at least alive.
This is one strange event.
Have any of you followed the disappearance of DeOrr Kunz, the two year old local boy who disappeared on 10-July-2015?
This case smells similarly.
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The lastest husband of the cult has stated the world will end in July of this year. They both have several people murdered around them, he married her after his wife died in her sleep? within 2 weeks,, her 4rth husband died under circumstances, her two children are missing and she explains nothing as to there whereabouts, so, as D.M. said, let her go, nothing to see here. 0 -
I do not believe I have ever even hinted that there is nothing to see here.
This is obviously bizarre, but at this point, there is no evidence of the crime for which she is being charged.0 -
So if all of a sudden you have kids that are nowhere to be found, friend asks you where they are at and you say nothing, gone for months, somewhere DCFS would have to become involved to see the wellness of the children? I have seen this with the DCFS many times as a foster parent but maybe I am totally wrong here. 0 -
I don't know either, grasshopper.
There is no evidence that the children have been harmed, abandoned or in danger. She is obviously a bit different, and may be simply hiding them from an estranged family who may try to take them from her were she to present them.
Or they may be dead.
From every report I have read, she is not being charged with violating a custody order, denying visitation or anything of the kind. She is being charged with child abandonment without any evidence what-so-ever that she abandoned her children.
They may simply be in a safe house maintained by her church.
Or they may be dead.
We don't know, but we don't understand or agree with her belief system, so we throw her in jail.3 -
From our local web news for those who are curious.
https://www.eastidahonews.com/2020/03/lori-daybell-remains-in-jail-and-may-have-problems-posting-1-million-bail/
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she is charged with 2 counts of felony child desertion & non support of children, misdemeanor resisting, obstructing and officer, solicitation of a crime, and contempt of court......but Don believes in her....he may put up the bail 0 -
Article says two local Bail bond outfits don't want her business.
i find that amusing. They must either figure she's a flight risk or more likely they are doing it on principle.
I vote the latter.
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Since we do not know where the children are, desertion and non-support are mere speculation. Both are possible, but are they probable? Probable is the standard.spasmcreeksrun said:she is charged with 2 counts of felony child desertion & non support of children, misdemeanor resisting, obstructing and officer, solicitation of a crime, and contempt of court......but Don believes in her....he may put up the bail
We do not know where the children are yet we jump to the conclusion that she abandoned them because it is possible.
We do not know where the children are yet we jump to the conclusion that she is not seeing to their support because it is possible.
It is possible she ate them. Why not charge her with cannibalism?
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Flying Clay Disk said:Don McManus said:Is there a crime that has been committed?
There are children under 18 years of age missing, numerous dead adults in their wake....Are you sure there isn't a crime which has been committed?????Seems to me, the odds are better there has been a crime committed than not.Waterboard her!!!!
Good to see the presumption of innocence is alive and well.6 -
the presumption of common sense has died 0 -
The man that wrote ‘Common Sense’ would no doubt choose to error on the side of individual liberty over collectivist presumptive prosecution. So while you are correct, your meaning may be different than would be Mr. Paine’s.
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