The trigger happy Iranian that took out the airliner...
I would assume that the decision to shoot/don't shoot came down to one individual that was stationed in the missile battery that fired the fatal shot.
What do you suppose happened to that fella? I imagine that if he's still drawing breath that he is none too happy right about now.
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They must have some sort of ROE and as long as he was following them I would bet is OK. Now his commander might be in some hot water for authorizing the shoot down but I doubt it.
I am really surprised they admitted to it.
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he got a medal and promotion and told to get to Tehran and shoot iranians who protest their fearless leader...a new and dangerous job description
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@...: https://forums.gunbroker.com/discussion/1888181/the-trigger-happy-iranian-that-took-out-the-airliner
I would assume that the decision to shoot/don't shoot came down to one individual that was stationed in the missile battery that fired the fatal shot.
What do you suppose happened to that fella? I imagine that if he's still drawing breath that he is none too happy right about now.
In civilized countries the person that ordered it, or fired it without orders would be against a court martial. However, over there, he might be seen as a hero for trying to incite a war. Or, he could be seen as a liability to later talk so he might "commit suicide" with 7 shots in his back. 🤔
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Pretty much rule number one of Air Defense is know what you are shooting at.
This was a deliberate hit and they knew exactly what the target was before they put TWO missiles up.
- plane has IFF (Identity Friend or Foe) identifying itself as a commercial aircraft.
- Plane is on a known and heavily used flight path on a trajectory leaving the country. It is flying away from Tehran, not towards it.
- Aircraft had a filed flight plan readily available to the crew operating the TOR M1 battery.
- The TOR battle manager (computers and data package) will provide a solution & identity these as warnings & present “no shoot” condition which would have to be over ridden.
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It seems that Ukraine Airlines was is in the wrong place at the wrong time, That's a lot of dead souls because of regional tensions. Now asked yourself would you fly in a hot war/police action zone if you already had reservations? What are these people thinking when they are getting on board after all they all seem highly intelligence before their demise. Wisdom and intelligence sometimes never meet in world affairs.
The people behind the weapon's switch is the cause, Lets banned all surface-to-air missiles now! The governments are killing us!😣
serf
https://time.com/5762543/iran-plane-crash-shoot-down-history/
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serf: 31534411709723/comments/31534418116763
It seems that Ukraine Airlines was is in the wrong place at the wrong time, That's a lot of dead souls because of regional tensions. Now asked yourself would you fly in a hot war/police action zone if you already had reservations? What are these people thinking when they are getting on board after all they all seem highly intelligence before their demise. Wisdom and intelligence sometimes never meet in world affairs.
The people behind the weapon's switch is the cause, Lets banned all surface-to-air missiles now! The governments are killing us!😣
serf
https://time.com/5762543/iran-plane-crash-shoot-down-history/
So if the choice is Get out of Dodge before WW3 lights off or ride it out in Iran, Im thinking I am getting on a plane and leaving.
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I wondered a lot, about the guy(s). Who pulled the trigger, on the missles. Think they went dancing around, screaming allahu akabar. Like you see on the tube. When they chop somebody's head off, or blow up a school.
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College students are often the first ones to protest and stir up trouble. So, I wonder if some of the Iranian students on the plane was really the target. If I understand correctly, most were students from Canada of Iranian decent.
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College students are often the first ones to protest and stir up trouble. So, I wonder if some of the Iranian students on the plane was really the target. If I understand correctly, most were students from Canada of Iranian decent.
A Lot lower profile way of getting rid of dissidents, without blowing up an Airliner. Just saying.
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A Lot lower profile way of getting rid of dissidents, without blowing up an Airliner. Just saying.
That's true. But these students were leaving the country. Maybe they had a lot to say when they got home. Just a thought I had about why they chose that particular plane to hit. It's difficult for me to believe they thought the plane was an American bomber. Maybe any foreign airline plane could have been targeted and this one was just the unlucky one.
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Gotta figure they were looking for a USA response and when the puter picked up the air liner well boom.
I would much rather have heard news that a couple dozen Iranian ballistic missiles were plucked out the air by some fancy smancy defense system we had.
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Pretty much rule number one of Air Defense is know what you are shooting at.
This was a deliberate hit and they knew exactly what the target was before they put TWO missiles up.
- plane has IFF (Identity Friend or Foe) identifying itself as a commercial aircraft.
- Plane is on a known and heavily used flight path on a trajectory leaving the country. It is flying away from Tehran, not towards it.
- Aircraft had a filed flight plan readily available to the crew operating the TOR M1 battery.
- The TOR battle manager (computers and data package) will provide a solution & identity these as warnings & present “no shoot” condition which would have to be over ridden.
Didn't we shoot down an airliner too a few years back?
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Didn't we shoot down an airliner too a few years back?
A few years back being 1988 after 10 attempts to contact the aircraft over international waters during the Iran-Iraq war, yes.
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Iran was looking for the US to be firing missiles back at them when they fired on bases in Iraq, we didn't so their story of us shooting down the plane fell apart and they had to admit to shooting it down
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"They must have some sort of ROE"
Not sure the camel jockeys bother with such things.
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What the US did to Iranian Flight 655 was just as bad....Google it for the whole story. But, we paid many millions of dollars and publicly apologized.
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Not to worry. The fellow that fired the missile just lost his head. That’s all.
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brier-49, that's a very plausible plan for those lying, sneaky bastids. If we had launched a reprisal, much of the world would have believed their claims that it was one of our missiles. We'd know better, but facts wouldn't have mattered.
If you are even close to correct, the shoot-down wasn't an accident at all. It was planned in advance and carried out despite the fact that airliners transmit their identity to ground radars and are impossible to mis-identify. In short, it was intentional murder.
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Rocky Raab , it was no accident, those missiles don't go off on their own or go where they weren't aimed.
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Of course not. But they would have claimed that OURS did. A classic False Flag attack.
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New York Post
Iran announces arrests over shootdown of Ukrainian jetliner
By Associated PressJanuary 14, 2020 | 6:01am | Updated
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates — Iran’s judiciary said Tuesday that arrests have been made for the accidental shootdown of a Ukrainian passenger plane that killed all 176 people on board just after takeoff from Tehran last week.
The announcement came amid an upswell of anger and protests by Iranians in recent days over the downing of the jetliner last Wednesday and apparent attempts by senior officials in Iran to cover-up the cause of the crash.
Iran, which initially dismissed allegations that a missile had brought down the plane, acknowledged only on Saturday — three days after and in the face of mounting evidence — that its Revolutionary Guard had shot down the plane by mistake.
Judiciary spokesman Gholamhossein Esmaili was quoted by Iranian state media saying that “extensive investigations have taken place and some individuals are arrested.” He did not say how many individuals had been detained or name them.
Iran’s president on Tuesday also called for a special court to be set up to probe the incident.
“The judiciary should form a special court with a ranking judge and dozens of experts,” President Hassan Rouhani said in a speech televised in Iran. “This is not an ordinary case. The entire world will be watching this court.”
Rouhani called the incident “a painful and unforgivable” mistake and promised that his administration would pursue the case “by all means.”
“The responsibility falls on more than just one person,” he said, adding that those found culpable “should be punished.”
“There are others, too, and I want that this issue is expressed honestly,” he said, without elaborating.
Rouhani called the government’s admission that Iranian forces shot down the plane the “first good step.”
The plane, en route to the Ukrainian capital of Kyiv, was carrying 167 passengers and nine crew members from several countries, including 82 Iranians, 57 Canadians — including many Iranians with dual citizenship — and 11 Ukrainians, according to officials. There were several children among the passengers, including an infant.
Iran shot down the plane when it was bracing for possible U.S. retaliation for a ballistic missile attack on two military bases housing U.S. troops in Iraq. No one was hurt in that attack, which was carried out to avenge the stunning killing of Revolutionary Guard Gen. Qassem Soleimani in an American airstrike in Baghdad.
Gen. Amir Ali Hajizadeh, the head of the Guard’s aerospace division, said over the weekend his unit accepts full responsibility for the shootdown. He said when he learned about the downing of the plane, “I wished I was dead.”
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I wondered a lot, about the guy(s). Who pulled the trigger, on the missles. Think they went dancing around, screaming allahu akabar. Like you see on the tube. When they chop somebody's head off, or blow up a school.
Yep. At the time Iran was threatening to whip the rest of the entire world.
All governments that I am familiar with, especially ours, have positions low in their hierarchy for just such situations.
Its called Scapegoat!
I know because I was selected for the job once. I declined. Hahahahaha. I'm still laughing.
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