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  • SoreShoulder

    This thread is getting a little off the family oriented theme of the forum. Maybe we should ask the mods to pull it. Then again, maybe young people need to know.

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  • Mr. Perfect
    @...: 31515545129627/comments/31515623516187

    This thread is getting a little off the family oriented theme of the forum. Maybe we should ask the mods to pull it. Then again, maybe young people need to know.

    Maybe you can point to the lyrical portions that support your assertion.

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  • SoreShoulder

    I was hoping that angle would be a sideshow.

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  • SoreShoulder
    Mr. Perfect: 31515545129627/comments/31515581357339

    https://forums.gunbroker.com/discussion/comment/11255763#Comment_11255763

    Maybe you can point to the lyrical portions that support your assertion.

    I think it's implied in the band's name and the band's name which is mentioned in reply 25, Stone Gossard and Jeff Ament's former band. They both imply the members were pressured into being taken advantage of by various segments of the rich and powerful.

    It is possible they don't want the music to be too specific but to appeal to a wide range of people who feel pressured by society to do what they'd rather not, so they don't necessarily mention why mr. evenflow has been reduced to the state of a brain damaged homeless man.

    It's possible there were threats which made them not want to be too specific so as not to show a problem. Look at the death of the guitarists' former lead singer and the way Axl spent a couple decades in a semi-vegetative state after writing a protest song. Then there's Layne Staley, Kurt Cobain, Shannon Hoon, and more recently, Chris Connell and Scott Weiland.

    From a different band in the same genre, STP's "Flies in the Vasoline" implies there are threats. The first line seems to imply they can't think about how to get out of their present life but can only muse about unimportant things that occur to them. And, they're "flies in the vasoline" because stuck. And they say it's all a lie. (" you'll see the look and you'll see the lie....") And, the official video seems to show the singer in a corpse pose suspended over railroad tracks which are flying past underneath his back.

    It's implied. They can't show a problem.

    I had heard Ian Anderson went from being a guy who cleaned toilets to a homeless person whom some found odd. I don't know if the part about the homelessness is correct but it may be the way society repaid him for his decision to hold out and not let them boycott him into becoming a bimbo, no doubt for the women who had lost husbands in the war.

    "Hotel California" may be another early pre-grunge protest song. You can't leave and the line about the captain and the wine may be meant to insinuate the woman in the song isn't so young.

    Nirvana's look may have been meant to imply that while they might have been smart guys, they had been held back by society and still dressed like kids, and Kurt wore some old lady's sunglasses. Maybe because they had been consigned to be bimbos and weren't allowed to make any of their own choices. Or maybe the old lady who owned the sunglasses wanted to be in charge and treated them like little kids.

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  • jimdeere

    ‘Scuse me while I kiss the sky.”

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  • He Dog
    Rocky Raab: 31515545129627/comments/31515590909083

    What we have here is a failure to communicate. Writing comprehension is a lost skill.

    Thanks Rocky, there for a minute I though my reading comprehension was slipping.

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  • SoreShoulder

    Some of those guys might have fled to less oppressive cities from elsewhere so I wouldn't necessarily automatically assume Seattle or San Diego were run by the mafia who traffic all the children to the powerful citizens.

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  • NeoBlackdog

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  • Horse Plains Drifter
    NeoBlackdog: 31515545129627/comments/31515624086299

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    Yeah, me too......

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  • Smitty500mag

    I just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in?

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  • Nanuq907
    @...: 31515545129627/comments/31515598334491

    Some of those guys might have fled to less oppressive cities from elsewhere so I wouldn't necessarily automatically assume Seattle or San Diego were run by the mafia who traffic all the children to the powerful citizens.

    Kurt Cobain was from Aberdeen, Washington. It's just up the coast from Cannon Beach and Seaside. That whole coastline is fun and sun, if your head is screwed on straight. I've camped in Aberdeen and gone out with the fishing fleet over the bar, and it's a stone cold hoot.

    Some people just flat refuse to be happy. Everything in life is decisions. You're handed a pile of trouble and what do you do with it? In Cobain's case he made millions milking that angst. In Corrie Ten Boom's case she was sent to a concentration camp and watched her family die, and she came out praising God.

    I used to ride the Wa State Ferry into Seattle and Spoonman was a regular passenger on the boat. He was great, and great with the spoons. Soundgarden wrote a song about him and made him famous. Did that change anything in his life? Was he happier? No. Life is all about our decisions and their consequences.

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  • Mr. Perfect
    @...: 31515545129627/comments/31515593213467

    https://forums.gunbroker.com/discussion/comment/11255764#Comment_11255764

    I think it's implied in the band's name and the band's name which is mentioned in reply 25, Stone Gossard and Jeff Ament's former band. They both imply the members were pressured into being taken advantage of by various segments of the rich and powerful.

    It is possible they don't want the music to be too specific but to appeal to a wide range of people who feel pressured by society to do what they'd rather not, so they don't necessarily mention why mr. evenflow has been reduced to the state of a brain damaged homeless man.

    It's possible there were threats which made them not want to be too specific so as not to show a problem. Look at the death of the guitarists' former lead singer and the way Axl spent a couple decades in a semi-vegetative state after writing a protest song. Then there's Layne Staley, Kurt Cobain, Shannon Hoon, and more recently, Chris Connell and Scott Weiland.

    From a different band in the same genre, STP's "Flies in the Vasoline" implies there are threats. The first line seems to imply they can't think about how to get out of their present life but can only muse about unimportant things that occur to them. And, they're "flies in the vasoline" because stuck. And they say it's all a lie. (" you'll see the look and you'll see the lie....") And, the official video seems to show the singer in a corpse pose suspended over railroad tracks which are flying past underneath his back.

    It's implied. They can't show a problem.

    I had heard Ian Anderson went from being a guy who cleaned toilets to a homeless person whom some found odd. I don't know if the part about the homelessness is correct but it may be the way society repaid him for his decision to hold out and not let them boycott him into becoming a bimbo, no doubt for the women who had lost husbands in the war.

    "Hotel California" may be another early pre-grunge protest song. You can't leave and the line about the captain and the wine may be meant to insinuate the woman in the song isn't so young.

    Nirvana's look may have been meant to imply that while they might have been smart guys, they had been held back by society and still dressed like kids, and Kurt wore some old lady's sunglasses. Maybe because they had been consigned to be bimbos and weren't allowed to make any of their own choices. Or maybe the old lady who owned the sunglasses wanted to be in charge and treated them like little kids.

    That's a lot of words and a really long winded way to say "I guess I misinterpreted it". Because it ain't in there chief. I grew up on the peninsula and lived in Seattle when Nirvana and Pearl Jam went mainstream. And I am good friends with a gal that was in a class ahead of Cobain in Aberdeen. None of them were singing about testosterone filled women. And you're off the mark about Cobain too. No one was holding him back. He was just a loner/loser outcast that ripped off a musical style from the Pixies and did better with it because they had such talent at drums and bass.

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  • SoreShoulder

    It's almost as if you hadn't bothered to read anything I wrote. You are on your own page.

    Then to top it all off, you somehow decide I'm conceding whatever point you think you have.

    They were possibly pressured and trapped into the life. "He was just a loner/loser outcast..." How are you qualified to know?

    Maybe it's because his classmates knew he didn't have enough friends, spirituality, or economic worth to avoid being pressured into things like the mafia that made him kind of an outcast.

    Just for the record, if he was pressured into providing company and it was your homeys that pressured him, I don't have a problem with that. But I am free to speculate about the meaning of music.

    There was a semi-famous band once who chose a name based on their feeling that the life they were pressured or trapped into was halfway to whores.

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  • NeoBlackdog

    Sure wish someone had pressured and trapped me into being famous and rich!

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  • SoreShoulder
    NeoBlackdog: 31515545129627/comments/31515578428699

    Sure wish someone had pressured and trapped me into being famous and rich!

    I'm only speculating, but of course I mean being pressured into providing company for important members of the community.

    Most of the bands they start probably fizzle. They also seem to often be addicted to painkillers. Plus, they do sound kind of angry, not happy at all the attention.

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  • allen griggs

    My health crashed in 1990. All kinds of weird problems. I went to all the good and great doctors in Georgia and never got a diagnosis.

    Six years later I was in a health food store in Atlanta and a clerk there told me it sounded like heavy metal poisoning. None of the docs had mentioned that.

    I managed to get tested, in spite of the ignorant, great and good doctors, and found out that the problem was lead and mercury poisoning. It took another 10 years to get it straightened out and it was really hell on earth. I still suffer, every day, from side effects of this ordeal.

    I never found out exactly how I had gotten poisoned but every man on this forum, if he got the proper tests, would show positive for heavy metals. You might cross over into the "toxic" level and you might not.

    Living in the modern age we are swimming in a soup of toxins, and some of us get real sick from it, and some don't.

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  • Mr. Perfect
    @...: 31515545129627/comments/31515582676379

    It's almost as if you hadn't bothered to read anything I wrote. You are on your own page.

    Then to top it all off, you somehow decide I'm conceding whatever point you think you have.

    They were possibly pressured and trapped into the life. "He was just a loner/loser outcast..." How are you qualified to know?

    Maybe it's because his classmates knew he didn't have enough friends, spirituality, or economic worth to avoid being pressured into things like the mafia that made him kind of an outcast.

    Just for the record, if he was pressured into providing company and it was your homeys that pressured him, I don't have a problem with that. But I am free to speculate about the meaning of music.

    There was a semi-famous band once who chose a name based on their feeling that the life they were pressured or trapped into was halfway to whores.

    It's almost as if you have no idea what the song lyrics are about.

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  • Mr. Perfect
    Nanuq907: 31515545129627/comments/31515624585755

    https://forums.gunbroker.com/discussion/comment/11256859#Comment_11256859

    Kurt Cobain was from Aberdeen, Washington. It's just up the coast from Cannon Beach and Seaside. That whole coastline is fun and sun, if your head is screwed on straight. I've camped in Aberdeen and gone out with the fishing fleet over the bar, and it's a stone cold hoot.

    Some people just flat refuse to be happy. Everything in life is decisions. You're handed a pile of trouble and what do you do with it? In Cobain's case he made millions milking that angst. In Corrie Ten Boom's case she was sent to a concentration camp and watched her family die, and she came out praising God.

    I used to ride the Wa State Ferry into Seattle and Spoonman was a regular passenger on the boat. He was great, and great with the spoons. Soundgarden wrote a song about him and made him famous. Did that change anything in his life? Was he happier? No. Life is all about our decisions and their consequences.

    From which terminal did you depart on the west side? Bremerton?

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  • SoreShoulder
    Mr. Perfect: 31515545129627/comments/31515625130523

    https://forums.gunbroker.com/discussion/comment/11257085#Comment_11257085

    It's almost as if you have no idea what the song lyrics are about.

    It's obviously about a homeless person who is not quite all there mentally. The lyrics don't tell why he's there.

    The lyric "someday yet he'll begin his life again" and the yearning sound of the song imply it's a younger man who still has hopes and dreams, but is not mentally healthy. It is not some aging wino who has lost hope.

    And that's about all the lyrics say and imply.

    There is nothing in the song saying it's about a veteran.

    There is also nothing in the song saying it's about a person who was pressured by the mob, who resisted, and got a brain injury for it.

    Neither theory is supported or ruled out by the lyrics.

    I think it's implied though. "Jeremy" seems meant to imply some of the people in their world slip through the cracks in various ways, or in other words, no one cares about some people like the kid who committed suicide in class. "Once" seems to imply the band members were a little interested in criminality or the thug life, and maybe that's why they couldn't have careers but chose rock & roll.

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  • diver-rig

    So, let's time this all together.


    Grunge is the reason people get heavy metal poisoning, because testosterone fuelled women want it so.


    Dude, your theories are bat shit crazy..

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  • Mr. Perfect
    @...: 31515545129627/comments/31515599488795

    https://forums.gunbroker.com/discussion/comment/11257111#Comment_11257111

    It's obviously about a homeless person who is not quite all there mentally. The lyrics don't tell why he's there.

    The lyric "someday yet he'll begin his life again" and the yearning sound of the song imply it's a younger man who still has hopes and dreams, but is not mentally healthy. It is not some aging wino who has lost hope.

    And that's about all the lyrics say and imply.

    There is nothing in the song saying it's about a veteran.

    There is also nothing in the song saying it's about a person who was pressured by the mob, who resisted, and got a brain injury for it.

    Neither theory is supported or ruled out by the lyrics.

    I think it's implied though. "Jeremy" seems meant to imply some of the people in their world slip through the cracks in various ways, or in other words, no one cares about some people like the kid who committed suicide in class. "Once" seems to imply the band members were a little interested in criminality or the thug life, and maybe that's why they couldn't have careers but chose rock & roll.

    But that was not your claim before. Changing your tune, if you'll pardon the pun?

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  • SoreShoulder

    The music raised awareness of trafficking and now rock & roll is much less popular.

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