A political move that could affect gun buyers and sellers
Mark et al, I hope you don't mind me posting this here. The move by the Biden admin could have adverse effects on the gun industry. As the article points out, removal of the Fair Access Rule can again enable those in office opposed to guns, to end-around gun control by forcing banks to cease doing business with gun sellers and buyers.
Biden is Bringing Back Obama-era 'Operation Choke Point' - He's Paving The Way For Banks To Be Able To Refuse Service To Democrats’ Enemies: The Federalist's Kelsey Bolar Writes
We all feared this was coming.
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MARVELOUS, fantastic, well done, AWESOME!
It is not surprising, it is not unexpected and sure as God made little green apples, it follows the Marxist play book to the letter.
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If your target audience can control themselves and not turn the thread into another discussion on gun rights or politics then it can stay in GD. It's in the hands of your readers now.
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mark christian: 31515527612315/comments/31515496593435
If your target audience can control themselves and not turn the thread into another discussion on gun rights or politics then it can stay in GD. It's in the hands of your readers now.
Thank you. Please do move it if they do not.
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Potential talking points: what backup plan do you have for transactions? What alternatives are there to banks and credit card companies?
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I'm honestly not sure how to comment on this without it becoming political so let me just say that I grow increasingly weary of all this new bull puckey.
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An opportunity is about to happen to the positive. Although the banks are controlled , not all monies or a new institution by private could be.
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NeoBlackdog: 31515527612315/comments/31515485951259
I'm honestly not sure how to comment on this without it becoming political so let me just say that I grow increasingly weary of all this new bull puckey.
I wonder if crypto currency is a solution the the draconian policies that are surely forthcoming?
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Mr. Perfect: 31515527612315/comments/31515503044635
https://forums.gunbroker.com/discussion/comment/11255750#Comment_11255750
I wonder if crypto currency is a solution the the draconian policies that are surely forthcoming?
It is coming like a freight train. Big brother will track everything.
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select-fire: 31515527612315/comments/31515486371611
https://forums.gunbroker.com/discussion/comment/11255759#Comment_11255759
It is coming like a freight train. Big brother will track everything.
We saw what was happening before. Chase, I believe started the wave. If others follow we will need a backup plan. There are ways to avoid being tracked I won't get into here.
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I truly think cash will be phased out soon all by cards or computers . that way nothing slips thru the cracks they will write laws to make it easy to force people to give up any pass words and or phantom accounts . all transactions will be taxed bottom line
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Im confused does this belong in Politics or Gun Rights & Constitutional Law.
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Warbirds: 31515527612315/comments/31515531201819
Im confused does this belong in Politics or Gun Rights & Constitutional Law.
Either. However, thre OP wants the thread to remain in GD, which effectively stifles any actual discussion. Had the same thread been posted in Politics and Gun Rights a lively discussion would be ongoing.
That was the OP's choice and I'm willing to accommodate.
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Might I suggest to avoid having to move this post so that it remains in GD, everyone just do a quick check in to let the OP know it has been seen, noted and read. Discussion might send it down the rabbit hole.
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mark christian: 31515527612315/comments/31515486613531
https://forums.gunbroker.com/discussion/comment/11255792#Comment_11255792
Either. However, thre OP wants the thread to remain in GD, which effectively stifles any actual discussion. Had the same thread been posted in Politics and Gun Rights a lively discussion would be ongoing.
That was the OP's choice and I'm willing to accommodate.
Thanks Mark, I think the subject that Randy posted is not political, per sea, but obviously is, due to the political climate. I do think that it should remain non-political, and here, due to the facts, since it could possibly affect all of us, and hope that it remains that way. There have too many previous posts in the past, that have ended up locked because of opinions..Please, let's try and keep this one to the facts. I am very interested in my future as a gun owner, I've already lost one boat load, and can't really afford another one....
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I suppose it comes down to your purpose in the forums: is it sufficient to simply have members read and acknowledge your cut and paste articles? or do you want to post your own thoughtful subject matter in the appropriate forum for members to engage in active participation? Apparently, gaining the maximum amount of attention in GD is sufficient.
That's the way that the OP wants it, and as I stated, I will accommodate.
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mark christian: 31515527612315/comments/31515486613531
https://forums.gunbroker.com/discussion/comment/11255792#Comment_11255792
Either. However, thre OP wants the thread to remain in GD, which effectively stifles any actual discussion. Had the same thread been posted in Politics and Gun Rights a lively discussion would be ongoing.
That was the OP's choice and I'm willing to accommodate.
I think there is plenty non-political to discuss. As I noted above, countermeasures, for example. Ideas about what to do. The last thing I want is more pissing and moaning about the current administration. Are there gun friendly banks that won't succumb to political pressure?
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Ditch-Runner: 31515527612315/comments/31515503158427
I truly think cash will be phased out soon all by cards or computers . that way nothing slips thru the cracks they will write laws to make it easy to force people to give up any pass words and or phantom accounts . all transactions will be taxed bottom line
no doubt this is coming. Cash will most likely become illegal to possess. Bartering will occur
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I haven't made a secret of the fact that I dislike cut and paste articles. We had a self proclaimed firearms "expert" in the forums whose expertise consisted of cut and paste articles, YouTube videos, and posting photos of other peoples firearms. That doesn't gain much traction with me.
In the future, members will do much better with their personal appeals when their content consists of a well thought-out post, and not a link to an article from a website.
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select-fire: 31515527612315/comments/31515516913435
https://forums.gunbroker.com/discussion/comment/11255777#Comment_11255777
no doubt this is coming. Cash will most likely become illegal to possess. Bartering will occur
What does one use to barter for guns? Seems like a tough proposition. Alcohol maybe?
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I recall back in 2009 or 2010 there was a startup company whose intent was to compete with PayPal called Gpal or Gunpal. They've since gone under, but with renewed pressure I can imagine a company stepping up to fill the need. If I recall correctly Gpal's problem was underwriting, so insuring the transaction company that fills the industry need is also going to be a critical point.
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Mr. Perfect: 31515527612315/comments/31515531991067
https://forums.gunbroker.com/discussion/comment/11255805#Comment_11255805
What does one use to barter for guns? Seems like a tough proposition. Alcohol maybe?
Bartering will be for everything possible. Work will make a comeback from today's lazy society to get something without computer card money.
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Gold, silver, barter and cash?
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SW0320: 31515527612315/comments/31515547838491
Gold, silver, barter and cash?
The problem is those aren't things that are easily exchanged for internet purchases. Effectively dooming online sales if that is what is required.
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Bitcoin
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For internet sales all we have to do is change the names of what we are buying and selling. Come up with a code and do everything on the sly. I say sly but crap! Only thing sly about having to go to these extremes is what we are being hit with!
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Brookwood: 31515527612315/comments/31515532465947
For internet sales all we have to do is change the names of what we are buying and selling. Come up with a code and do everything on the sly. I say sly but crap! Only thing sly about having to go to these extremes is what we are being hit with!
Ohdearlordy that conjures up images of the ridiculous conspiracy that Wayfair was trafficing children as overpriced furniture. Which is to say, I don't think that would work.
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Brookwood: 31515527612315/comments/31515532465947
For internet sales all we have to do is change the names of what we are buying and selling. Come up with a code and do everything on the sly. I say sly but crap! Only thing sly about having to go to these extremes is what we are being hit with!
Merchants who accept cards for payment, must submit an MCC, or Merchant Category Code to the credit card companies. It describes the types of merchandise/services that they offer, so it would be pretty hard to get around that. It could get to the point that you couldn't even buy flowers from certain sporting goods stores if they offered them.
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This is bad news.
As far as crypto currency is concerned I think its going to get shut down soon.
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I agree Sam06. I can't help but think that there will be regulations come about that will hamper if not eliminate it's use. I like to think that paper money won't disappear but as large bills have (I once held a $10K bill as a little boy) but who knows.
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But, but this was all tinfoil just a few years ago? Right? Re-education camps may be next to be considered hrrrr... the new normal?
serf
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