New shooter taught me something! Pic!
Well he taught me a few things.
This wknd is a wknd that I was looking forward to- it is the Glock Match (GSSF) in Daytona Beach. I volunteer to help with Set up the stages & RO.
So I am working as an RO and a guy who tells me he shoots “all the time” but this is his first match comes up.
Walk through the safety stuff, Range commands and beep!
This is followed by a bang you would expect and then a failure to eject/stovepipe.
Make everything safe & it doesn’t take long to learn the following:
1- a Glock 35 (40S&W) is capable of firing a 9mm bullet.
2) He reminded me that these are real guns & new shooters need very careful oversight.
He was really happy to learn the “only issue” was he had simply been shooting the wrong ammo in the gun.
I sent him to see the Glock Armorer & Match director & did not see him again. I called the Match Director and explained the situation.
The gun did not show any immediate signs of failure. It did not go ka-boom.
I tried to get a pic of this brass using a mirror.
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I was called up to the range at the store I worked at to help with exactly the same problem. His 9mm case had split full length and I had to give it a couple of taps with a cleaning rod to get it out. All of his ammo that I saw was .40 and he had no idea where the 9mm had come from. I could only guess someone had left a round on the bench and he had picked it up thinking it was one he had dropped. That's not the strangest range happening I saw occur but those stories are for anther day. Bob
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Is that called fire forming? Don
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Learn something new everyday!😮
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Maybe he was just fire-forming his brass so he could make some of them whiz bang forty-niner rounds?
LOL! I've seen the same thing happen at an IDPA match and it was a LEO that did it!
I work with our new shooters a lot and I think I'll start checking them for proper ammo from here out.
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We had a novice with an M-1 Garand. We notice the ejected brass looked......different. Yep. 7.62 NATO ammo, in a 30-06 chamber.
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Well that will have an affect accuracy
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A round loses a lot of pressure when it goes off unsupported by a chamber wall. A buddy had some 30 Luger ammo and he shot it in his 9 mm. Not enough power to work the slide but the fired cases looked just like 9 mm cases. He shot into a snow drift and the bullets had no rifling marks, just some rubbed places on them. Accuracy was what you would expect.
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My youngest son did ccw classes early on when demand and $$ were abundant
He told me many times people would show up with pistols and ammo that did not match
Some of his stories made me really think twice about some people needing classes
Being around guns my whole life I never gave it much thought about all the people who had never used or owned one
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Working at the gun shop / range, I've seen that before with a rental Glock.
I cleared the glock by hooking the slide on a bench and pushing the frame forward.
I bought a Glock 27 off a friend and put a 9mm barrel in (non-conversion barrel). With 9mm mags it shoots just fine.
9mm will work in the 40sw mags but the slide wont lock open on the last shot.
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I remember Basic Training (Ft. Leonard Wood, MO) Jan/Feb 1980, and getting Muzzle Swept repeatedly on the Firing Line with Full Auto M16's by New Shooters. (Some with fingers on the triggers.) Rather disconcerting.
One Trainee dropped a live hand grenade in the foxhole he and the DI were sharing, on the Grenade Live Fire Qualification. The DI threw him out of the hole and dropped on top of him.
The DI's had their hands full.
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Mr. Perfect: 31515056692635/comments/31515063095451
There is no movement or speed reloads or any decisions the shooter has to make in a GSSF match. This makes it pretty easy to RO. You run a timer and score targets.
So what I was trying to say- is I can’t get complacent.
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1961 Ft Jackson ,AIT. Trooper on my left had a dud on M-! and would not extract. Impatient RO grabbed weapon and kicked operating rod down with boot and stripped next round into jammed round in chamber. Plenty of blood but no fatalities. Snicker, snicker on RO.---Ray
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I remember Basic Training (Ft. Leonard Wood, MO) Jan/Feb 1980, and getting Muzzle Swept repeatedly on the Firing Line with Full Auto M16's by New Shooters. (Some with fingers on the triggers.) Rather disconcerting.
One Trainee dropped a live hand grenade in the foxhole he and the DI were sharing, on the Grenade Live Fire Qualification. The DI threw him out of the hole and dropped on top of him.
The DI's had their hands full.
I did basic training at Ft. Leonard Wood from Oct-Dec in 1987.............We were told that in the class prior to ours, a trainee dropped a live grenade in the pit and both he and the DI were killed in the explosion..........
As far as rifle training..........I was already experienced before I got there. I found the ROs to be very cautious in their dealing with recruits. Some of those recruits just had no idea.........
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A .44 Special round will fire from a .45 Colt revolver, with similar results.
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Glock fired brass looks like that even when fired in a correct chamber.
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Collector52: 31515056692635/comments/31515041601947
A .44 Special round will fire from a .45 Colt revolver, with similar results.
I read an except from a book written around 1910 where it was recommended anyone purchasing a revolver, particularly a Colt to always go with 45 LC, because in times of ammo shortages you could always fire 44-40, 38-40, 44 Russian, 44 American, 44 colt and others if needed.
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https://forums.gunbroker.com/discussion/comment/11251152#Comment_11251152
There is no movement or speed reloads or any decisions the shooter has to make in a GSSF match. This makes it pretty easy to RO. You run a timer and score targets.
So what I was trying to say- is I can’t get complacent.
Ahhh ok. Gotcha.
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@...: 31515056692635/comments/31515057304091
I remember Basic Training (Ft. Leonard Wood, MO) Jan/Feb 1980, and getting Muzzle Swept repeatedly on the Firing Line with Full Auto M16's by New Shooters. (Some with fingers on the triggers.) Rather disconcerting.
One Trainee dropped a live hand grenade in the foxhole he and the DI were sharing, on the Grenade Live Fire Qualification. The DI threw him out of the hole and dropped on top of him.
The DI's had their hands full.
Oh my that brought back a memory. When we were there, 85-86, they let the spouses go through a day of basic. On the M-16 range, the spouse in the foxhole next to me had a jam. She turned toward me pointing the rifle as she asked me what to do. The DI standing behind her snatched her straight up out of the hole and secured the weapon in a matter of seconds.
We finished on that range without her being allowed to handle anything else. Thank goodness because the next range was the M-60.
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