2021 F-150 engines
Is the 3.5L V6 Hybrid really all that? I'm dubious. Someone in the know please inform me, because it looks like I am involuntarily in the market. Thanks.
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Rocky Raab: 31033834735003/comments/31033838420635
Some of you need to read up a bit about how hybrids work. It is extremely complicated, but the "joe Sixpack" explanation is that it is like a diesel/electric locomotive. The small gas engine turns a generator that in turn both powers the electric motors that turn the drive wheels and charges a huge battery. There is no mechanical transmission, and the gas engine has no connection to the wheels at all. The generator and the battery both supply voltage to the electric drive motors all the time, when there's more power being created than the wheels need, that power goes to the battery. When the wheels need more power, the engine runs harder and some juice flows back out of the battery. If you happen to be going downhill, the wheel motors turn into generators and the gas engine can relax while the wheel motors charge the battery.
It's actually a LOT more complicated than that, but only the system's design engineers could explain it - and none of us would understand anyway.
Again.....Google. The 2021 F150 is a rear wheel drive. It has and added motor built into the basic 10 speed transmission. This motor runs off the battery and can turn the transmission to power the rear wheels, or all 4 if 4x4. The F150 does not have electric drive motors on each wheel. That will be on the all electric f150 coming soon. The 2021 hybrid is simply that....hybrid. it can be driven with no electricity(well the standard 12VDC is required.) The hybrid part simply powers recepticals and the motor built into the 10 speed transmission.
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And yes, the transmission is directly tied into the motor and drive shaft. I would not hesitate to buy one, if I was so inclined. I don't buy new so..... The motor is proven and will be more than enough. If you need more towing then a 250 or 350 is in order. Not sure about the hybrid tranny, will wait and see. BUT Ford knocked it OUT of the park with the turbo V6. I had my doubts, but have not seen a single one with turbo issues!(I'm sure some have but none I personally know of).
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Rocky Raab: 31033834735003/comments/31033838420635
Some of you need to read up a bit about how hybrids work. It is extremely complicated, but the "joe Sixpack" explanation is that it is like a diesel/electric locomotive. The small gas engine turns a generator that in turn both powers the electric motors that turn the drive wheels and charges a huge battery. There is no mechanical transmission, and the gas engine has no connection to the wheels at all. The generator and the battery both supply voltage to the electric drive motors all the time, when there's more power being created than the wheels need, that power goes to the battery. When the wheels need more power, the engine runs harder and some juice flows back out of the battery. If you happen to be going downhill, the wheel motors turn into generators and the gas engine can relax while the wheel motors charge the battery.
It's actually a LOT more complicated than that, but only the system's design engineers could explain it - and none of us would understand anyway.
Well the ford has a mechanical transmission, it's just that the electric motor sits between it and the gas engine. The electric motor on the F-150 outputs about 44hp on its own and the engine boosts that by the 386 HP the v6 produces. Ford says the two "work in tandem" to produce the spec'd power, rather than the gas engine just turning/powering the electric motor. Apparently at low speed and stop and go type driving conditions the engine boost and transition is pretty noticeable. https://www.motortrend.com/news/2021-ford-f-150-powerboost-hybrid-review/
At any rate, the V6 in this scenario isn't just a small engine that powers the electric motor... that's how passenger cars work tho. At least, this is my understanding after looking at Ford's diagrams and descriptions.
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I can't see having a $1,200+ CAR payment! I'm waiting for everyone to buy their new vehicles so I can get a used expedition😁. Used cars are SKY high right now, so I will wait......patiently.
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LOL. $4,400 MIGHT get you a used Pinto now🤯. If everyone were like me and my wife......prices would drop. Never bought a brand new vehicle. Got a ford ranger with 8k miles from the bank for 12,000(KBB was 22k) and that's the most we spent on vehicles. I have 4 diff vehicles and would not be scared to drive either of them cross country. I do my own maintenance and keep them running "like new" but with no car payments.
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Just get ya one of these
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With the username Mr. Perfect we know you will make a good choice.
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Warbirds: 31033834735003/comments/31033877100955
With the username @Mr. Perfect we know you will make a good choice.
I appreciate your confidence.
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Stay away from small twin turbocharged engines, Anything electric low to the ground will fry if you get in high water. The only hybrid I would consider is one that has a built-in on board generator that charges the battery pack only. I don't know of a truck that has such a set up at present. Only a BMW and maybe Mazda with a Wankel generator. I would stick with a v-8 -5 liter gas engine and buy a diesel generator and haul it around.
serf
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I guess that depends on your definition of small engine. The 3.5 liter V6 twin turbo is a beast. Why would you recommend that we stay away from that? Rock solid and proven over years of use. Can't speak to the hybrid version, but the hybrid part is simply added INTO the transmission, that plus the battery back on the frame.
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mike55: 31033834735003/comments/31033877338651
I guess that depends on your definition of small engine. The 3.5 liter V6 twin turbo is a beast. Why would you recommend that we stay away from that? Rock solid and proven over years of use. Can't speak to the hybrid version, but the hybrid part is simply added INTO the transmission, that plus the battery back on the frame.
The longevity of the engine is why, if you can afford to trade it in after a couple of years, it's no problem. I have a loud clunky diesel with no class, but like the turtle and with the hare it will outlast any gas turbo engine. Diesels are made for high pressures, small gas engines not so much. Too many RPMs.
serf
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well yea, MOST diesel engines will outlast most gas engines. But the post wasnt asking about diesel engines. I mean......a Peterbuilt road tractor will out haul ANY F350, but thats neither here nor there.
Those 3.5 turbos have been around for some time. Some have over 200,000 miles on em. So they are rock solid. Will a diesel outlast it? most likely but again...apples and oranges.
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Ricci.Wright: 31033834735003/comments/31033867344667
I am not a fan of turbos on a vehicle I depend on. And how are these ten speed tranys holding up?? But I would never buy a new vehicle again. I am right now looking for a 2000-2007 Tahoe or Suburban.
I agree with you Ricci. Current vehicle is a 2013 LR4 with the Ford 5 liter V-8 and 6 speed tranny. Tested it against a 2016 with the V-6 and 8 speed tranny, and the 8 cylinder outperformed the 6 everywhere, even though they have about the same HP rating.
Higher RPM in the 6, constant shifting as you change speeds or grades, even minor ones - no thank you.
A true hybrid, however, would be a different cat altogether. If the V-6 is just a battery charger, all of the downside of the mechanical drive train go away.
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Tested: 2021 Ford F-150 Hybrid Proves to Be an Electrifying Workhorse
Ford's new F-150 hybrid maintains pickup-truck capability while adding a few mpgs.This is not an electric drive vehicle, rather a shotgun wedding between an undersized powerplant, 10 speed transmission and a 47 HP electric motor.
I would pass, at least until the reliability of the transmission is established. That extra power feeding the input shaft of a 10 speed transmission would make me nervous. A motor boost to the transmission output shaft would be an interesting option, however.
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Ah, I see. So the F-150 is not a real hybrid at all but a sort of kludged-together electric-assisted regular truck. In other words, the half-assed worst of either option.
I stand corrected. My description was for an actual hybrid.
(And I do not use Google.)
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mike55: 31033834735003/comments/31033863135899
well yea, MOST diesel engines will outlast most gas engines. But the post wasnt asking about diesel engines. I mean......a Peterbuilt road tractor will out haul ANY F350, but thats neither here nor there.
Those 3.5 turbos have been around for some time. Some have over 200,000 miles on em. So they are rock solid. Will a diesel outlast it? most likely but again...apples and oranges.
Read the above rebuttal about it running on a onboard generator with that fabulous twin turbo engine from Ford. It's another stupid idea from Ford.
You want to run a commercial generator on a construction site? Go buy a portable diesel generator, not a Ford truck with a turbo. The 5.0 v-8 is the only engine I would buy if you had to have the convenience of such a set up.
serf
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OK. My POINT is that the 3.5 Turbo V6 is a very capable and PROVEN motor. I agree, if you want a generator....buy a generator. BUT you keep saying the 3. 5 wont hold up. It absolutely WILL hold up to everyday use. Now, again, that HYBRID is different and you might be concerned about the elec motor in the tranny, or the battery pack. BUT you will NOT have to worry about the motor or the turbos. They have proven to be powerful AND last for several hundred thousand miles. I agree that F150 hybrid is a gimmick, but it has a GREAT motor :)
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