Salvation Army wants you to apologize
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We just talked about donating/donations to charities and had liked them and their usage of funds versus overhead and CEO salaries of some companies. I would have to rethink donating if they wish to play the blame game.
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For the past 40 years blacks have had it BETTER than whites in America. Affirmative Action is state sponsored racism. Blacks with lower test scores, and less experience, get the advantage over whites, for promotion at the fire dept., and for admission to graduate school. ''White Privelege'' has been turned upside down for decades in our country. Yet these liberals will not shut up.
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dcon12: 30636716672795/comments/30636726518811
https://forums.gunbroker.com/discussion/comment/11308141#Comment_11308141
Send it to me, I will accept your apology and your check! Don
We’ll call this plan B.
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I see this "news" is spreading like wildfire. Being reported by MANY sources. Some creditable, some definitely NOT. Where are the creditable ones getting it from?????
I admit that I am no computer guru, but I searched local, USA, and international Salvation Army sites and could not find THEM making this statement. Sure LOTS of people (sites) "discussing it" but where is the original source?
This makes me think about Jim Zumbo's ordeal. He lost his job, affiliates, endorsements etc. in a matter of days, because of what he said. (and deservedly so) But because of the internet and social media sites the way they are now days, it would not take a computer literate person long to accomplish what is being done here.
It makes no difference to me about Salvation Army, my charitable donations go to St Jude's Children's Hospital.
Some of the links posted by members here FORCE you to download something on your computer, even after closing that window. I am not going to do it from sources I am suspicious of to begin with. I had to close every window and reboot my computer to get rid of it. So I do not know what they said,
Until I see a Salvation Army site (that does not FORCE you to download......whatever) with this request on it, I am putting this in the......someone wants to hurt the Salvation Army file.
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Let's Talk About... Racism COMPLETE SET.indd
I found a few paragraphs about repentance on page 26. There are 67 pages and I only skimmed them until I found this. Make of it what you will however I suggest taking it in contents of the whole study guide from a religious organization and remember it is their study guide.
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Just the fact a non profit got involved in telling and informing folks is wrong. I don't need their advice.
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If this is true, I'm done with them. Screw the Salvation Army, given them tons of stuff including cash for many many years .............. never again.
If they think that they can thank me for all I've done for the Salvation Army over the years by calling me a racist, they can think again. I hope that this stupid statement completely eliminates ALL donations by ALL of the white folks in this country.
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Here's my apology:
I'm sorry, I don't donate to racist organizations.
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" defines racism as ‘The belief that races have distinctive cultural characteristics
determined by hereditary factors and that this endows some races with an intrinsic superiority
over others."
Well thank goodness I'm not raycist based on SA interpretation, I have no belief that race carries any cultural characteristics determined by hereditary factors and therefore no endowment of intrinsic superiority. Whew.
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I can't find in their literature where it tells me as a white man I should be apologizing. They address racism. They talk about their organization not always being fair in that area. They discuss their idea of how society should not have racism. They discuss what they see as the effects of racism. While I may not agree with all their writings I'm also sure I do not agree with the ideas of everyone here. They address many things but I can't find where it tells me as a white man I need to apologize to any other race.
Here is the some text from LSD's link:
PRACTICAL RESPONSES The universality of God’s love is clearly declared in Scripture, and must be actualised in the daily living of people (1 John 4:20). Racism is a wrong that needs to be countered and calls for truthful acknowledgement, rectification and reconciliation on an organisational, individual and societal level.
Responding at an organisational level: The Salvation Army is committed to equality, disavows discrimination and affirms racial diversity. Sorrow and repentance are needed for any negative legacy that past shortcomings have created. We acknowledge that Salvationists have sometimes conformed to economic, political, social and internal pressures that perpetuate racism. • The Salvation Army will make and encourage efforts to challenge and overcome racism wherever it exists. • The Salvation Army must always be vigilant and guard against the infiltration of racism in our organisation. • The Salvation Army recognises the importance of robust systems to report and discuss racism without fear and will endeavour to provide these. • The Salvation Army will continue to make efforts to ensure ethnic diversity in international and territorial leadership. • The Salvation Army will promote the value of ethnic diversity and inclusiveness in all expressions of Salvation Army life including prioritising resources for the education and development of all personnel. • The Salvation Army will regularly review its investment portfolios to ensure that they are consistent with the values and beliefs it proclaims.
Responding at an individual level: • Salvationists are expected to take personal action against racism motivated by their obedience to the example of Jesus and their respect of the image of God in every person. • Salvationists are expected to seek to influence the attitudes of others by expressly rejecting racial stereotypes, slurs and jokes. • Salvationists should raise their families to appreciate the diversity of cultures and ethnicities. • Salvationists are encouraged to join with others in combined efforts to bring about justice for the victims of racism.
Responding at a societal level: The Salvation Army will seek to influence governments, businesses, civil society and other faith communities to: • Pursue goals of racial and economic justice. This should include efforts to achieve fair working conditions, adequate income, safe and secure housing, educational opportunities that will enhance life, and health care that is accessible irrespective of ethnicity. • Be aware of its responsibility to promote racial justice and ethnic diversity in private and public sectors of life. • Avoid and resist rhetoric that can contribute to ethnic stereotyping. • Encourage all people – especially leaders in society – to recognize the negative effects of racism in society and commit to rid the world of this injustice.
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In the materiel they do seem to be sending the message that structural racism exist and should be addressed. I think that is overblown here in the USA. I am also aware they are in many countries and started in Britain. They do a lot of good work helping those in need. While I question their approach to this I do not take it personal. Sending a message by not contributing to their cause may be warranted but I think the narrative to do so is a bit overblown.
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...Shame these people turn out to be idiots...wont be putting any money in their little red kettle...Wounded Warriors and DAV work just fine for me...
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The link I posted isn't a download. It's just a PDF read in the browser.
Page 23 of Session 4 asks "Who are those who deserve an apology/ those who need to give an apology?"
If you read that session, it becomes pretty clear who's going to get the apology, based on: a. Police brutality, b. Discrimination in healthcare, c. education and economic disparity, d. Mass incarceration, e. Division within the church.
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Sorry, not sorry. No take- backs.
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I've always found that apologizing for a mistake means more if it hurts a little.
Then, maybe they're not apologizing and just need to hush this for a while so the money keeps flowing.
Hard to know at this point, isn't it?
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@...: https://forums.gunbroker.com/discussion/1903888/salvation-army-wants-you-to-apologize
They sure do need -- TO APOLOGIZE TO US ALL....not just to WHITES...but to us ALL>.... I donate to Disabled Veterans and Kids with Cancer....Nothing better in my book..
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I stopped donating to the Salvation Army years ago when it was found out that 90% of the funds they collect go toward the highly inflated salaries of their executives and staff.
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truthful Please back up this statements with facts: "when it was found out that 90% of the funds they collect go toward the highly inflated salaries of their executives and staff." Every survey/article I've ever seen about how much donated money ends up going toward actual helping vs. salaries has shown the opposite of what you state.
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Maybe he is thinking about the Redcross.
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I checked with 'Charity Navigator'. They list no information for them in every category - only listing address as 615 Slaters Lane - Alexandria, Va - 22314-1112.
Best Regards - AQH
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AQH that's because of their religious status and the fact that they don't file same IRS forms as the others they watch...
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One of my sons lived some distance from me and needed money. He said he could not find work. So I contacted The Salvation Army. I volunteered him to work there and they gave an accounting of the hours worked. I paid minimum wage to my son for hours worked. He did this for some time, enough to know the way salvation Army works. I talked to him about this apology subject. He claims it is BS. I have seen other good works the Salvation Army has done (money well spent, not wasted). On the other hand i have seen how much truth/ falsehood there is on the internet. There is motive to harm Christianity and this apology subject is in line with that.
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Not even a penny from me any more and I used to donate to them. They can KMA.
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No take backs.
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Mr. Perfect: 30636716672795/comments/30636753132955
Not even a penny from me any more and I used to donate to them. They can KMA.
AMEN
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select-fire: 30636716672795/comments/30636782059291
No take backs.
Exactly.
You can't hide your Woke CRT bullsh!t behind an apology.
The only apology I would accept is if the woke racist who's responsible for this garbage is fired.
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