Kenosha riots- Kyle Rittenhouse
Anyone following this Rittenhouse trial? It's looking more and more like this should have never come to trial. Dude he shot just testified he pointed his gun at Kyle before Kyle shot him. LOL. The guy was a witness for the prosecution. LEWLZ!
Jeez, I feel bad Kyle has had to go through this kangaroo circus.
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There hasn't been much, if anything, said about his father, or if one is even in the picture. Only passing comments in regards to his mother.
I suppose the true test of approval would be if "mommy" approved of what he did.
Supposedly, the individual that provided him the rifle, is the boyfriend of his (older?) sister. That's just what I've read.
Anyways, the last thing we need right now is a bunch of hopped up teenagers taking to the streets, armed and bound & determined to take our country back. That's NOT the way to go about it.
Motives should always be questioned, especially in a court of law. In the moment, some would say they felt justified. That's not always the case.
I applaud anyone willing to stand up to bullies and I don't care how old they are.
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"the last thing we need right now is a bunch of hopped up teenagers taking to the streets, armed and bound & determined to take our country back. That's NOT the way to go about it."
Well there is this: "The soldiers were of all ages from young boys to old men. The majority of the soldiers, however, were ages 18-24."
Discussing the age of revolutionary soldiers...
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Well that idiot that gave a 17 yr old will eventually be prosecuted also.
Why do you seem to continually celebrate the restrictions of ownership Governments place upon the citizens, Elmer?
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I would use it as a teaching moment being positive in regards to his motives and balancing the situation with reality and his experience.. I would keep him from the situation due to his inexperience not due to his motives. I do wish for the sake of this kid an adult in his life would have intervened with some wisdom, but they didn't.
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Scout5 makes an excellent observation. Experience and maturity trump everything. For those comparing Rittenhose to actual young armed forces members, that is a false comparison. There is a reason for basic training and then assigning an experienced non-com to lead and watch over green troops. Rittenhouse had no training and no experienced supervision and yet people wonder why things went south. Bob
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Why do you seem to continually celebrate the restrictions of ownership Governments place upon the citizens, Elmer?
Not getting into any peeing contest with you. If you have a problem with the governments actions take it up with them.
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Rittenhouse should have left the Policing up to the Police. And ..how many times has he carried an AR downtown in public?
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" that is a false comparison. " I disagree as my post was about those who served in the revolutionary war, which included many a militia solder which may or may not have had any formal training... As far as letting my 17 year old do something like this, well I can't answer that as I never had children however I joined the Army at 17 with my parents approval.
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. I wouldn’t let/condone my 17 year old riot, loot, burn and destroy . I wouldn’t let/condone my 17 year old take a skateboard to someone’s head. I wouldn’t let/condone my 17 year old point a gun at someone carrying a rifle. But if he did that and the rifle toting guy shot him. I wouldn’t think charges would be filed
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That's a wide scenario with a lot of factors. At 17 all of my sons would have been willing to do what they thought was needed. It is my job to temper that and guide it in the right direction. If the situation was the right direction I would allow them to do so.
As stated above the situation this kid went to would not be something I would let my 17 year old son do.
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What if it had your 17 yr. old son that took off w/o you knowing about?
Or...........
What if it had been your 17 yr. old son, and he came to you and said......Dad, I want to go to ______ with an AR15 and protect some strangers property?
"Do you need ammo?"
Mostly I would advise against it.
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The boy took the law into his own hands. Showing up with an AR to do what? Well he ended up killing two and injuring another. For What reason? I could understand if at home protection of ones family but not on walking down a public street confronting folks .
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The boy took the law into his own hands. Showing up with an AR to do what? Well he ended up killing two and injuring another. For What reason? I could understand if at home protection of ones family but not on walking down a public street confronting folks .
It was self defense, something generally applauded by the gun crowd.
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It is my understanding the laws prevented him from carrying a handgun. Of course he could have not been there. But he was there doing what he thought was right. If he was going to arm himself a long gun was his only legal option. If the law would have allowed him to carry a handgun he may have never been chased. But he was denied by the law.
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The highway to Hell is paved with good intentions.
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Bottom line:
It was legal for him to be there.
It was in his interest due to the fact he worked there.
It was legal for him to be armed.
It was legal to defend himself.
Since the self defense information was known by the prosecution, this should have never gone to trial.
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Why do you seem to continually celebrate the restrictions of ownership Governments place upon the citizens, Elmer?
There are a few folks on this forum that celebrate the restrictions placed on others, so long as it doesn't affect them personally.
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The highway to Hell is paved with good intentions.
Early to bed and early to rise, makes a man healthy, wealthy and wise.
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Professional Testimony Nail in his coffin.
Kyle Rittenhouse fatally shot man who was in 'horizontal position,' pathologist testifies
David K. Li and Samira Puskar
Tue, November 9, 2021, 2:11 PM·2 min read
One of the men fatally shot by Kyle Rittenhouse was in a “horizontal” position, a forensic pathologist told Wisconsin jurors Tuesday, suggesting the victim wasn't a threat when he was gunned down.
Dr. Doug Kelley, a forensic pathologist with the Milwaukee County Medical Examiner, detailed the fatal gun shots suffered by Anthony Huber, 26, and Joseph Rosenbaum, 36, during an Aug. 25, 2020, protest of the police shooting of Jacob Blake.
Assistant District Attorney James Kraus sought to paint Rosenbaum’s killing as particularly egregious as he was “falling or perpendicular” when fatal shots were fired.
“The back-to-front shots to the head and then the kill shot to the back would have been as he was falling or perpendicular to the ground?” Kraus asked.
The doctor agreed.
“The only way that the trajectories of the gunshot wounds to the right side of the head and the back make sense is if he’s more horizontal to the ground and that is occurring at the time the last two gunshot wounds are heard on the video,” Kelley responded.
But defense attorney Mark Richards implied that Rosenbaum could have still been a threat to his client, who squeezed off the four shots against that victim in .76 of a second.
Richards stood in front of the witness, put his head down and feigned an aggressive rush toward the doctor.
“So if I was charging like a bull and diving, that would be consistent” with the wounds suffered by Rosenbaum, Richards asked.
“That would be,” Kelley responded.
Image: Kyle Rittenhouse (Sean Krajacic / The Kenosha News via AP Pool)
Rittenhouse and at least one juror appeared to be unnerved by grim autopsy photos.
As Kraus put the disturbing images on an overhead screen for Dr. Kelley’s testimony, Rittenhouse again turned away or looked down to avoid looking at them.
At least one juror, kept looking forward but clearly closed her eyes as pictures of Huber on a coroner’s table were shown in the Kenosha courtroom.
Rittenhouse and scores of other people were on the streets of Kenosha after the shooting of Blake, a Black man, by a white police officer on Aug. 23, 2020.
The unrest in Kenosha drew Rittenhouse, then 17, across state lines, where he is alleged to have taken the AR-15-style semi-automatic rifle to protests.
Kenosha is about 20 miles northeast of Rittenhouse’s home in Antioch, Illinois, and 40 miles south of Milwaukee.
Rittenhouse has been charged with homicide and being a minor in possession of a firearm. A charge against him for violating curfew was dismissed on Tuesday.
The prosecution rested its case on Tuesday afternoon.
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Now try and get a jury not to understand this ... No reasonable doubt. The only thing unknown is how many counts of murder they will decide.
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Professional Testimony Nail in his coffin.
Agreed. Doesn't look like the prosecution has a modicum of case.
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But defense attorney Mark Richards implied that Rosenbaum could have still been a threat to his client, who squeezed off the four shots against that victim in .76 of a second.
Richards stood in front of the witness, put his head down and feigned an aggressive rush toward the doctor.
“So if I was charging like a bull and diving, that would be consistent” with the wounds suffered by Rosenbaum, Richards asked.
“That would be,” Kelley responded.
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No reasonable doubt he killed in cold blood
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One of the men fatally shot by Kyle Rittenhouse was in a “horizontal” position, a forensic pathologist told Wisconsin jurors Tuesday, suggesting the victim wasn't a threat when he was gunned down.
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One of the men fatally shot by Kyle Rittenhouse was in a “horizontal” position, a forensic pathologist told Wisconsin jurors Tuesday, suggesting the victim wasn't a threat when he was gunned down.
Did you fail to read past that?
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The last 2 shots of a 0.76 second 4 shot volley is a nail in his coffin and proves murder in cold blood?
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Defense attorney said he " Could Have " been a threat. Doesn't mean he was . Jurors take testimony from the Pathologist as a fact as he testified. not maybe , could have should have from an attorney.
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What I read was the "expert" say these were the last 2 shots.
“The back-to-front shots to the head and then the kill shot to the back would have been as he was falling or perpendicular to the ground?” Kraus asked.
The doctor agreed.
“The only way that the trajectories of the gunshot wounds to the right side of the head and the back make sense is if he’s more horizontal to the ground and that is occurring at the time the last two gunshot wounds are heard on the video,” Kelley responded.
Again the last 2 shots of a 0.76 second 4 shot volley. The guy didn't lay down before he was shot, he was falling down from being shot.
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What I read was the "expert" say these were the last 2 shots.
“The back-to-front shots to the head and then the kill shot to the back would have been as he was falling or perpendicular to the ground?” Kraus asked.
The doctor agreed.
“The only way that the trajectories of the gunshot wounds to the right side of the head and the back make sense is if he’s more horizontal to the ground and that is occurring at the time the last two gunshot wounds are heard on the video,” Kelley responded.
Again the last 2 shots of a 0.76 second 4 shot volley. The guy didn't lay down before he was shot, he was falling down from being shot.
That coupled with the fact the Dr. agreed he could have been charging when shot is way more than enough for reasonable doubt, at the least, and more likely will be seen as just further evidence Kyle was defending himself... consistent with all the other testimony and facts presented in this case. The prosecution has zero case.
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2 men were killed.. One of the men was in a horizontal position...
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