14 kids and 1 teacher dead
Another school shooting, this time in Texas. Not a lot of confirmed info yet but all sources reporting the the shooter was an 18 year old local. Words fail me. Bob
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"within 40 minutes"? Looks to me like the responders needed less organization time, and more balls, and the death toll among the innocent would have been much lower--even if one or more responders had been injured or killed. I used to watch "Lone Star Law" without laughing (much). Now this scenario will come to mind.
Who is saying, now, that we are doing enough to keep people who shouldn't have them from getting hi-cap assault weapons? I think we, the responsible gun owners, should get involved in the process of sorting out what needs to happen--we ain't gonna like the results if we leave it to those most likely to act. Freedom always comes with responsibility, and if we don't enter the dialogue, common sense will be the first victim.
My two cents.
windy
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I was listening to the right wing talk radio where one of the dude was talking to a "cop" friend. And supposedly the "cop" said to him that he didn't have to run in to do the rescue. So that got me wondering why have "To Serve And "Protect" on their rides? Then the two radio dudes was yapping on about hiring people to run in and do the rescue. So basically a call will go out and those head busters will come and "deal" with it. I suppose like a prison riot quashers.
They might as well just let all of us carry and take our chances.
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Just listening to news. They are stating that the shooter was arrested four years ago for threatening to shoot up a school in 2022 when he turned 18.
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SW0320: 30474271874971/comments/30474307924891
Just listening to news. They are stating that the shooter was arrested four years ago for threatening to shoot up a school in 2022 when he turned 18.
Got a link? All most of these shooters had previous run in's means they want to see something happen.Better watch out for those red laws being enacted by Republicans soon they are finally seeing the results of doing nothing now.
I wonder how many that smoke Marijuana could have their guns taken? Millions you think?
serf
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was honest and patient. a patient in a mental hospital said "don't release me, i'm going to kill someone" they released him and he killed someone ...... he then saw what he did and called the law. then committed to Rusk state hospital. insane. Richard Corey ? 1930s a PTA board member did a similar school attack.
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Not to minimize this event but their have been worse events in the US that did not include a gun.
https://www.mlive.com/news/2017/05/michigan_marks_90th_anniversar.html
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News conference... Didn't go in... Sad day when Police Dept isn't brave enough to save lives.
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nypost.com
Top Texas Cop Admits Cops Botched Uvalde School Response
Cops responding to the Uvalde, Texas school massacre “made the wrong decision” when they waited to breach the classroom door where a gunman had barricaded himself inside with children, a top law enforcement official said Friday.
The on-scene commander made the call that the carnage at Robb Elementary School on Tuesday had gone from an active shooter situation to a “barricaded suspect” situation, Col. Steven McCraw, director Texas Department of Public Safety said in a briefing Friday.
McCraw said with the benefit of hindsight, it was clear there were still students inside and in danger.
“Of course it was not the right decision, it was the wrong decision period,” McCraw said.
The admission came as police revealed the first time that shooter marched in through an unlocked door that had been propped open by a teacher.
The teacher propped the door at 11:27 a.m. a minute before 18-year-old gunman Salvador Ramos crashed his car into a ditch near the Robb Elementary School Tuesday.
Authorities are scrambling to explain why it took an hour to take out Ramos, whose rampage at Robb Elementary School Tuesday left 19 children and two teachers dead.
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"Two officials briefed on the situation told the New York Times that specialized Border Patrol agents arrived at Robb Elementary School between 12 p.m. and 12:10 p.m. which is roughly 30 minutes earlier than previously thought.
Additionally, the officials say that the Uvalde Police Department held the Border Patrol agents back from going inside."
So not only did the local LEOs NOT go in but they PREVENTED the border patrol from entering too! Apparently they held the border patrol back for 30-40 minutes! EVERYONE involved in those decisions should be FIRED effective immediately! NO excuse! If you cannot do the job, then let the border patrol do it. BUT to prevent them from entering also, that's criminal neglect! I love the LEO and respect them, those who made this decision should be fired in shame! Sad sad day!
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allen griggs: 30474271874971/comments/30474320649115
nypost.com
Top Texas Cop Admits Cops Botched Uvalde School Response
Cops responding to the Uvalde, Texas school massacre “made the wrong decision” when they waited to breach the classroom door where a gunman had barricaded himself inside with children, a top law enforcement official said Friday.
The on-scene commander made the call that the carnage at Robb Elementary School on Tuesday had gone from an active shooter situation to a “barricaded suspect” situation, Col. Steven McCraw, director Texas Department of Public Safety said in a briefing Friday.
McCraw said with the benefit of hindsight, it was clear there were still students inside and in danger.
“Of course it was not the right decision, it was the wrong decision period,” McCraw said.
The admission came as police revealed the first time that shooter marched in through an unlocked door that had been propped open by a teacher.
The teacher propped the door at 11:27 a.m. a minute before 18-year-old gunman Salvador Ramos crashed his car into a ditch near the Robb Elementary School Tuesday.
Authorities are scrambling to explain why it took an hour to take out Ramos, whose rampage at Robb Elementary School Tuesday left 19 children and two teachers dead.
A Lose/Lose for law enforcement. Had LEOs rushed the school and other than Ramos injured or killed, there would also be public outrage. This is not to say that law enforcement in this case picked the greater of two evils; it is to say that the action of law enforcement regardless of choice would most very likely be followed by public outrage.
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I disagree. LEOs should have done everything in their power to stop this insane person......least of all let the border patrol in!
Apparently a teacher propped the door open just minutes before the insane man went inside. Now......tell me WHY that person propped the door open. According to ALL witness accounts, this insane person was shooting AT the school for about 10 minutes BEFORE going inside. So that means this "teacher" propped the door open a full EIGHT minutes AFTER the shooting began. Unless said teacher was deaf, there may be more than one person involved in this horric situation! I see no other explanation as to why you would prop open a LOCKED door KNOWING someone was outside shooting at the school!
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News conference said they recovered 60 magazines.
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I watched a press conference at noon of a Texas law enforcement officer give an absolutely disgusting show of ineptitude that I have ever seen on TV. He was contorting his face, licking his lips, continually sorting a bunch of paper notes, and verbally stumbling throughout the interview. It was absolutely shameful.
Joe
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mike55: 30474271874971/comments/30474308664731
I disagree. LEOs should have done everything in their power to stop this insane person......least of all let the border patrol in!
Apparently a teacher propped the door open just minutes before the insane man went inside. Now......tell me WHY that person propped the door open. According to ALL witness accounts, this insane person was shooting AT the school for about 10 minutes BEFORE going inside. So that means this "teacher" propped the door open a full EIGHT minutes AFTER the shooting began. Unless said teacher was deaf, there may be more than one person involved in this horric situation! I see no other explanation as to why you would prop open a LOCKED door KNOWING someone was outside shooting at the school!
You missed the point. What you or I or LE would or should have done in this instance is irrelevant to the point.
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Here is the best timeline I could find of the shooting;
Uvalde shooting timeline: 84 minutes of terror
Following days of often-conflicting information from Texas authorities regarding the chain of events in Tuesday’s massacre in Uvalde, the Department of Public Safety released a timeline amid criticism.Since all of the knowledge that I have is at best second hand, I will refrain from either condemning or praising the overall law enforcement response. Not mentioned in this timeline is how long it took to find the key to open the classroom or how strong the lock/door was. That may have had some bearing on the timing of the entry. Bob
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No, the entire point is to try and save INNOCENT lives. I could give 2 craps what anyone "might" have thought IF the LEO actually did their job!
The point is, they FAILED to do everything they could to save innocent children and they even PREVENTED border patrol from going inside.
They should be fired and NEVER hired as any type of LEO ever again!
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mike55: 30474271874971/comments/30474337422235
No, the entire point is to try and save INNOCENT lives. I could give 2 craps what anyone "might" have thought IF the LEO actually did their job!
The point is, they FAILED to do everything they could to save innocent children and they even PREVENTED border patrol from going inside.
They should be fired and NEVER hired as any type of LEO ever again!
No, that is your point, not mine. Not sure whether you have a reading deficit or suffer the delusion that what you give two craps about overrides that point. Think I'll go with "Both".
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None our members were on the scene as far as i can tell and everybody is forming their own opinions based on hearsay evidence that has contradicted itself multiple times from multiple sources and arguing isn't gonna change anybody's minds imho. so we are done with this.
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