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  • Mr. Perfect
    Sam06: 30447073111963/comments/30447094146843

    I always thought AR stood for ArmaLite.

    Well, ArmaLite Rifle, as I think you know and meant. But, of course folks with a vested interest in not having their rights infringed continue to allow the infringers to re-frame every argument and term, to our detriment, because "we know what they mean". I would argue we have no fricken clue what they mean, because we keep letting them set the rules. Which is, of course a large part of their strategy.

    Confusing your opponent is a key strategy that has been used in all manner of warfare and debate for thousands of years and we just keep letting them do that.

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  • Ruger4me

    I'm all for good debates and expressing one's opinions as long as folks are respectful of others and their opinions also. As my fellow moderator pointed out in his post, there are guidelines you are expected to follow, Stay within those and the post will remain.

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  • NeoBlackdog
    Mr. Perfect: 30447073111963/comments/30447110495131

    https://forums.gunbroker.com/discussion/comment/11344321#Comment_11344321

    Please do not. The dialog on this topic is something I have wanted for a while on this forum, thus my post. The confusion about the origin of terms has led us to where we are: without effective arguments to counter the left who are "sturmtruppen" all over us currently.

    Well said, Mr. P.

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  • jimdeere

    I don't have to explain anything but calling someone "mindless" denigrates an otherwise thought provoking post.

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  • DancesWithSheep


    jimdeere: 30447073111963/comments/30447125619099

    I don't have to explain anything but calling someone "mindless" denigrates an otherwise thought provoking post.

    I did not call anyone mindless. Suggest you reread what I said and perhaps look up what the word "mindless" actually means; a misreading (I can't even say "misinterpretation") on your part does not constitute an instance of denigration on my part. And perhaps the attitude expressed in your remark "I don't have to explain anything" accounts for your low intervention threshold in this instance, which in turn may be motivated by personal factors having nothing whatever to do with enforcement of board policy. In any case, I find it amusing that what you as one moderator now consider "an otherwise thought-provoking post" another moderator viewed as an instance of "the incessant back and forth for no real reason". That posts often do not survive prolonged frequentation here based on uneven moderation rather than topic merit and participant interest is unfortunate.

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  • jimdeere

    That's it. Two weeks to cool off.

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  • redneckandy

    And another one gone. Guess we better keep gun topics to a minimun.

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  • BobJudy

    Whew! I didn't see that minor meltdown coming and I apologize for any part I may have had in making it happen.

    To get back to the point I was trying to make about the so called "scholars" definition that Mr. P linked to in his original post. Because language, terminology and symbolism are always evolving, I don't know how we can change anyones opinion about the term assault weapon or rifle that the anti-gunners have co-opted.

    When I was younger it was perfectly acceptable to use the O.K. sign by making a circle with my thumb and forefinger. Now if I do that I am accused of flashing a white power sign. For thousands of years the swastika was used by many cultures. India for example considers it a good luck symbol. What do you think people would say today if I put that Indian good luck symbol on the gate to my driveway? When I was in math class googol meant 10 to the 100th power. Today if I say that word in a conversation 99% of the people who hear me will think I am using a computer term for a search engine. If you think about it I bet you can come up with many more examples that meant one thing not so long ago and now mean something totally different.

    There is way to much misinformation out there about guns, from both sides, and about the only thing we can do is educate ourselves. I have read numerous places that the term assault rifle is a term made up in the 80's. Here is an article that has an excerpt from a 1945 U.S. intelligence report that uses the term;

    Historical Firearms - Historical Trivia: How Hitler Coined the Term...

    They were referring to a select fire medium caliber military weapon. Now through either malice or ignorance that term has been co-opted and evolved to mean, at least to the anti-gunners, what we gun folk call modern sporting rifles. Will we ever be able to change the opinions of people who have no desire to own or understand firearms that their definition is wrong? They won't let us because it is one of the foundations of their ant-gun rhetoric. We will keep pointing out the erroneous information like the "scholars" article but the only ones listening will be our fellow gun owners. Bob

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  • Horse Plains Drifter
    redneckandy: 30447073111963/comments/30447080874523

    And another one gone. Guess we better keep gun topics to a minimun.

    Why?

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  • Ruger4me

    No reason to stop posting about gun topics, it wasn't the topic that was boring, it was the peeing contest between members that caused the issue, as you can see the post is still open. what needs to be kept "to a minimum" is disrespect for each other.

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  • Mr. Perfect

    Welp, I'm done talking about this now. May as well delete the whole thing. Quite the birthday present.

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  • Sam06

    Happy Birthday @Mr. Perfect

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