Ranchers, who wants to give this a whirl?
Fence of the future
Jack Keating grew up near Atkinson in north central Nebraska. As the youngest of three brothers, he often got the least desirable jobs.
Same concept as what is commercially available for dogs, but enhanced.
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That right there is a JOKE. I've seen cows reach right through a hot wire fence flinching at every pulse to snag one bite of green grass on the other side. I've also seen cattle that looked like they'd been attacked by a lion after attempting to push through a new 5 barbed wire fence--and they didn't even flinch.
I've been to 'north central Nebraska' and it's not like there's anywhere for the cattle to go if they escape the perimeter. The comment of "fixing post holes" blows away any credibility the article might actually have.
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That might be fine for keepin' your critters contained (if it actuall works at all), but it does nothing for keepin' the neighbors' critters out.
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Why don't they just teach the cows the command "STAY" ??
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Mobuck: 30415386009115/comments/30415328010395
That right there is a JOKE. I've seen cows reach right through a hot wire fence flinching at every pulse to snag one bite of green grass on the other side. I've also seen cattle that looked like they'd been attacked by a lion after attempting to push through a new 5 barbed wire fence--and they didn't even flinch.
I've been to 'north central Nebraska' and it's not like there's anywhere for the cattle to go if they escape the perimeter. The comment of "fixing post holes" blows away any credibility the article might actually have.
Yeah, that fixing post holes bit had me rolling my eyes. Cattle bunched are cattle outward bound no matter the perimeter.
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Mobuck covered this topic perfectly.
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so if they really want to test it, they should go around to a bunch of different ranches and buy up about 100 head of the worst fence jumpers they can find and have at it ,
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redhawkk480: 30415386009115/comments/30415373992475
so if they really want to test it, they should go around to a bunch of different ranches and buy up about 100 head of the worst fence jumpers they can find and have at it ,
Or just a couple longhorns...
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I consider Larson to be an EX Pert on bovine behavior and according to him, they are much too smart for such a gizmo.
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When ya got a 15,000 acre NF lease ,,,,,, where they gonna go, and have no reason to. 😉
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...Warning sign. Invisible electric barrier at this sign. Do not cross.
...Dusty, read that sign to Smokey he's blind remember,,, (when I was a cowboy)
They don't have the bugs worked out of the ones for dogs yet
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Move to Wyoming. If your steer runs away, 3 days later you can still see them.
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Mobuck: 30415386009115/comments/30415328010395
That right there is a JOKE. I've seen cows reach right through a hot wire fence flinching at every pulse to snag one bite of green grass on the other side. I've also seen cattle that looked like they'd been attacked by a lion after attempting to push through a new 5 barbed wire fence--and they didn't even flinch.
I've been to 'north central Nebraska' and it's not like there's anywhere for the cattle to go if they escape the perimeter. The comment of "fixing post holes" blows away any credibility the article might actually have.
Exactly. Post holes? What the hell, over?
Unless the delivered shock actually stops their heart, it ain't going to phase them one iota (even then I have doubts), if they are determined to be some place else.
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savage170: 30415386009115/comments/30415374351899
I hadn't seen that one. It's a good one.
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Growing up i had tons of experience with all manner of electric fences and livestock . Very little stops a full grown determined cow or hog from going thru an electric fence. Get one hot enough to absolutely guarantee they won't go thru it means hot enough to almost kill .
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I agree with the comments above about determined cows and electric shock. I worked on Winrock (Wr) Ranch the summer after my HS graduation, and spent 2 - 3 weeks helping vaccinate 1,500 head of cattle. My job was to persuade them into the chute and handle the south end of each cow while the vet administered the vaccine under the base of the tail. (Thought my hands would never lose the aroma, but that's a different story.) Anyway, I recall a significant number, especially bulls, would ignore the electric cattle prod unless shocked in a sensitive spot.
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I'd prefer to put the Shock Collar on other peoples dogs, that allow them to roam freely, when they approach my property. (A couple have been warned that if their dogs engage my dog in a fight, while he is on his trolley [only while I am home] they stand a good chance of getting shot.)
I'm not putting anything on my Buddy, that would shock him. He has two long trolley runs, (100' one in front and one on the back deck) because I do not trust fences with an athletic dog. (We had one that could easily climb a fence also.)
My family had lots Cattle on different acreage/farms growing up, (where I live now.) Cattle are going to go where cattle want to go. IMHO.
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pulsarnc: 30415386009115/comments/30415357135131
Growing up i had tons of experience with all manner of electric fences and livestock . Very little stops a full grown determined cow or hog from going thru an electric fence. Get one hot enough to absolutely guarantee they won't go thru it means hot enough to almost kill .
Not sure how a wearable solar powered electronics device could push the kind of amperage needed to condition a cow’s behavior.
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Warbirds: 30415386009115/comments/30415328596507
https://forums.gunbroker.com/discussion/comment/11369608#Comment_11369608
Not sure how a wearable solar powered electronics device could push the kind of amperage needed to condition a cow’s behavior.
It's so close to impossible as to be impractical.
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Mr. Perfect: 30415386009115/comments/30415386506907
https://forums.gunbroker.com/discussion/comment/11369665#Comment_11369665
It's so close to impossible as to be impractical.
Couldn't you rig it up with some kind of condenser (or it's electronic equivalent) that would charge over time and deliver a lot of volts but only a few amps when needed?
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Cows don't have logical thought. If one gets shocked here it just moves 20' and tries again and on and on. In a very short time, the 'shocker' battery is dead or run down and BLOOP, through the fence Bossy goes.
I don't know how many 'joules' our fencers put out but it will make your arm numb for several minutes if your finger gets bit. I've seen goats test the fence between EVERY post along hundreds of feet of fence getting shocked EVERY TIME.
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Your animals sound like they are incapable of learning even the simplest things. They must be democraps.
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We used to have a bull many years ago. Close to 2,000 lbs. Neighbors bull would jump the boundry woven wire fence, down hill jump. We had an electric fence on our side of the property. Our bull always had the advantage, he would shove the neighbors bull in to the electric fence, talk about a fight stopper.
We had another neighbor that didn't have a bull, guess what he would do? He would take a pole and raise the fence just enough for our bull to sneak through a service the ladies.
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NeoBlackdog: 30415386009115/comments/30415357189147
https://forums.gunbroker.com/discussion/comment/11369986#Comment_11369986
Couldn't you rig it up with some kind of condenser (or it's electronic equivalent) that would charge over time and deliver a lot of volts but only a few amps when needed?
You could have a solar panel slowly charge a capacitor, sure, but the size of the capacitor that would deliver a shock stern enough a cow would pay attention would weigh about 10 lbs. Not to mention the solar panel would need to be about 24 inches across and it would still take several hours to charge it every time it discharged. And the panel would need to be pointed toward the sun the entire time. And if the first shock was ineffective, oh well.
So, like I said so close to impossible as to be impractical.
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