Very Strange Occurrence!
I was scrolling down the GunBroker home page and ran across a photo of a nice looking custom made muzzle loading rifle up for auction. I clicked on it to see the details and a page opened up stating that this seller does not sell or ship to Michigan. 😲
I was not allowed to even view it! At least I could not figure out how to do so.
Anybody ever have this happen to them??? Wish I could at least post an item # for that auction but it wasn't available either.
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Ohio is just a couple of hours away. 😆
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Use a VPN like TOR in your browser to mask where you're from. If there's a "private window" option in settings, there may also be a VPN option. I use the Brave browser and it has both. I don't see that option in Firefox. Do a search for your browser with TOR to see how to do it.
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I have never seen such a thing but I live in a free state.
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Never had that happen. I wonder what his justification is for declining Michigan sales? Granted, I have been retired from the gun counter for 10+ years, but back then buying a muzzleloader did not require any paperwork or registration. It was also legal to ship and receive a muzzleloading long gun without an FFL. Black powder handguns had different, more restrictive, rules here in Michigan. Of course now that we are a blue state, things will probably get worse. Bob
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Just a preview of more of what's coming to a neighborhood near you. They were all free states until one day they were not. I've said it before, a whirlpool doesn't seem so bad on the outer edges,,,,,,
I'm sorry to hear this.
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BobJudy: 30368672668059/comments/30368675840027
Never had that happen. I wonder what his justification is for declining Michigan sales? Granted, I have been retired from the gun counter for 10+ years, but back then buying a muzzleloader did not require any paperwork or registration. It was also legal to ship and receive a muzzleloading long gun without an FFL. Black powder handguns had different, more restrictive, rules here in Michigan. Of course now that we are a blue state, things will probably get worse. Bob
If I remember correctly, now if buying from a box store like Cabela's, muzzleloader and air rifles have to go through an FFL. Ridiculous!
Never realized this until Capnfun pointed it out a few years ago. It's got me wondering again, so I am going to validate when I get home to my PC.
Edit to add:
I went to the Cabela's site and ordered an air rifle, and no issues for shipping to my address, however when ordering a muzzleloader is quite different, it is ship to store, or in store purchase only. So, Capnfun was half right.
Either way we have some really stupid laws in Michigan.
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We have some really stupid people in charge in Michigan. Just like the white house.
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Gregor62: 30368672668059/comments/30368704382363
https://forums.gunbroker.com/discussion/comment/11379685#Comment_11379685
If I remember correctly, now if buying from a box store like Cabela's, muzzleloader and air rifles have to go through an FFL. Ridiculous!
Never realized this until Capnfun pointed it out a few years ago. It's got me wondering again, so I am going to validate when I get home to my PC.
Edit to add:
I went to the Cabela's site and ordered an air rifle, and no issues for shipping to my address, however when ordering a muzzleloader is quite different, it is ship to store, or in store purchase only. So, Capnfun was half right.
Either way we have some really stupid laws in Michigan.
+1 on the stupid laws. I went to the ATF website for the Michigan rules and one of the problems is a lot of the individual townships and cities have extra laws in place. I did what you did and got turned down by Cabelas/Basspro but these folks say they will ship;
Frequently Asked Questions | Muzzle-Loaders.com
Customer Service - Frequently Asked Questions - Find the answers to your questions and more. Contact us at 1-855-236-5000 or email us at sales@muzzle-loaders.com.I think because of the confusing mishmash of laws most dealers have just said no.
The ATF says only certain muzzleloaders are considered firearms, basically the modern ones that may be converted to metallic cartridges so for the vast majority of models, they don't care. I checked with a buddy and he said for the standard muzzleloaders, no 4473 is needed but the buyer must be over 18. So maybe to assure that the buyer meets the age requirement there has to be a face to face transaction. Life is complicated enough without all this B.S. from our elected officials here in Michigan. Bob
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May I ask what kind of muzzle loader you were considering.
Thompson center pro hunters, Remington 700 ultimates, and any front loaders the operate in a like fashion fall under center fire regulations.
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Butchdog2: 30368672668059/comments/30368678977179
May I ask what kind of muzzle loader you were considering.
Thompson center pro hunters, Remington 700 ultimates, and any front loaders the operate in a like fashion fall under center fire regulations.
The rifle I wanted to check out was a custom built side lock percussion piece. The only picture I could look at was a full length lock side view showing a nice curly maple stock with a fine slender appearance. It was one of the listed guns on the GB main page but those listings change frequently and I have not been able to find it again. That's OK though. Not really serious about making a purchase anyway! Just thought it was very strange that I was not allowed to even bring up the auction listing because I'm from MICHIGAN!
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Exempt from ATF regulations.
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@...: https://forums.gunbroker.com/discussion/1910400/very-strange-occurrence
I was scrolling down the GunBroker home page and ran across a photo of a nice looking custom made muzzle loading rifle up for auction. I clicked on it to see the details and a page opened up stating that this seller does not sell or ship to Michigan. 😲
I was not allowed to even view it! At least I could not figure out how to do so.
Anybody ever have this happen to them??? Wish I could at least post an item # for that auction but it wasn't available either.
I hate that. I wish there was a way to block sellers who don't sell to a specific state. So many times I have gone to an interesting item only to find "I do not sell to --------ia. Really angers me that I have wasted my time.
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@...: https://forums.gunbroker.com/discussion/1910400/very-strange-occurrence
I was scrolling down the GunBroker home page and ran across a photo of a nice looking custom made muzzle loading rifle up for auction. I clicked on it to see the details and a page opened up stating that this seller does not sell or ship to Michigan. 😲
I was not allowed to even view it! At least I could not figure out how to do so.
Anybody ever have this happen to them??? Wish I could at least post an item # for that auction but it wasn't available either.
Yes, and it really P----- me off. I wish I could block the seller. Any suggestions?
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So help me understand this, there is now such a thing as a muzzle loading assault weapon?? Well I’ll be.
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waltermoe: 30368672668059/comments/
So help me understand this, there is now such a thing as a muzzle loading assault weapon?? Well I’ll be.
Pretty sure that Sharp Flints are on the woke radar scope as well! green font enhanced post
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Brookwood: 30368672668059/comments/
https://forums.gunbroker.com/discussion/comment/11380006#Comment_11380006
Pretty sure that Sharp Flints are on the woke radar scope as well! green font enhanced post
yep they could be considered a mid mounted bayonet........
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God Help You if you try to ship a muzzle loader to New Jersey.
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I see more and more sellers on the Auction side that won't sell to residents of NY. It really hurts me I am a Native Son of Virginia but have spent practically my whole life trying to protect our 2A in the Socialist State of NY.---------------------------------Ray
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If I remember right, it seems to me back when Clinton or Obama was in office, and they started the law that all guns sold had to come with a trigger lock. That The state of Massachusetts past some law all guns had to have trigger locks, and they even had trigger locks on some flintlock rifle from the revolutionary war in a museum with trigger locks.
A person really does find them self shacking their head sometimes in disbelief.
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Send me a link, I might want one.
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February 18, 2015 8:18 PM
He did break the law, but the law is absurd.
‘I did break the law — to my shock,” Gordon Van Gilder tells me over the phone. He sighs. “Legally, they’re right.”
The “they” in this equation is the state of New Jersey. The “I” is Van Gilder, a 72-year-old retired schoolteacher from the town of Millville. And that “law-breaking”? Well, that could be extremely costly indeed. For transporting a 300-year-old flintlock pistol without a concealed-carry license, Van Gilder has been charged with a second-degree felony — specifically, with “unlawful possession of a handgun” — and he is facing a maximum of ten years in state prison. This, he suggests, is “unbelievable.”
Van Gilder’s ordeal began last November, when the car he was traveling in was pulled over by police. At the time, he and a friend were on their way back from a meeting with an antique dealer. “I’m very interested in the 18th century, both here and in Britain,” he tells me over the phone. “I’ve collected a lot of 18th-century items. I have some things from the Continental Army, including some personal documents — letters and so on. But I’m more interested in the things they made. My house is full of 18th-century furniture. I have little spoons, glassware. It’s an obsession of mine. I’m not a gun collector per se, but I think they’re interesting.”
The gun in question, Van Gilder says, “was probably made about 1765 in Belgium — for the British market.” A dealer found it in Pennsylvania, and held it for him. “I paid $800 for it. It’s a boxlock pistol, so there’s no hammer. It’s beautiful.”
Having picked the gun up, Van Gilder and his friend first went to lunch, and then they headed home. “My friend was driving because my arm is shot,” Van Gilder recalls. On the way home, the pair were pulled over by a local sheriff. According to Van Gilder, the detaining officer told him that he wanted to search the car, and threatened him with dogs if he refused. “I didn’t mind,” he tells me, but he wanted to make sure that the officer knew that there was a flintlock pistol in the glove compartment, and that he had just purchased it. “Oh, man,” Gilder says. “Immediately, he wanted to arrest me. But when he called the undersheriff, he was told, ‘No, it’s a 250-year-old pistol; let him go.’”
The officer did as he was told, and gave the pistol back. The next morning, however, he came back — “with three cars and three or four sheriffs.” Van Gilders says, “He told me, ‘I should have arrested you last night.’” So he did. “They led me away in handcuffs” and, at the station, “chained me by my hands and feet to a cold stainless-steel bench.”
“I’ve never been handcuffed in my life — or arrested, even,” Van Gilder explains. “I was embarrassed and ashamed. The only prisoner there was myself: a 72-year-old English teacher."
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I was SO VERY HAPPY to get the Heck out of that area, around 11 years ago, when I moved back to the Free State of Tennessee.
Many, many stories like that up there. Get caught with a BB gun? Just like a Firearm. Better have your Lawyer's # on hand. People who's flights were diverted, (they were not even supposed to land in NJ.) Facing 3-5 years in Prison, Out of Staters driving through, etc. You can get Seriously screwed there.
The joke (although not funny) was that if you shot an intruder in your house, the perp would get less time than you would.
When I moved, I kept all my Handguns and Rifles/Shotguns (not trusting the movers with them.) and had them all in my Ranger with a Camper shell on it, pulling a trailer. (Everything else went by movers, incl. all my .50 cal boxes of ammo one inside each large box with stuff packed around them.) My long guns were in a locked Thule box on top, handguns were in a small safe at the front of the truck bed with the entire truckload stacked in behind it. If I had been pulled over before crossing into PA - I would have most definately been the Lead story on the News that night.
I had already made my mind up, that I was not going to consent to a search. Thank God, it didn't come down to that.
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Never, ever consent to a search. Let them get a warrant. Period.
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allen griggs: 30368672668059/comments/30368711630235
February 18, 2015 8:18 PM
He did break the law, but the law is absurd.
‘I did break the law — to my shock,” Gordon Van Gilder tells me over the phone. He sighs. “Legally, they’re right.”
The “they” in this equation is the state of New Jersey. The “I” is Van Gilder, a 72-year-old retired schoolteacher from the town of Millville. And that “law-breaking”? Well, that could be extremely costly indeed. For transporting a 300-year-old flintlock pistol without a concealed-carry license, Van Gilder has been charged with a second-degree felony — specifically, with “unlawful possession of a handgun” — and he is facing a maximum of ten years in state prison. This, he suggests, is “unbelievable.”
Van Gilder’s ordeal began last November, when the car he was traveling in was pulled over by police. At the time, he and a friend were on their way back from a meeting with an antique dealer. “I’m very interested in the 18th century, both here and in Britain,” he tells me over the phone. “I’ve collected a lot of 18th-century items. I have some things from the Continental Army, including some personal documents — letters and so on. But I’m more interested in the things they made. My house is full of 18th-century furniture. I have little spoons, glassware. It’s an obsession of mine. I’m not a gun collector per se, but I think they’re interesting.”
The gun in question, Van Gilder says, “was probably made about 1765 in Belgium — for the British market.” A dealer found it in Pennsylvania, and held it for him. “I paid $800 for it. It’s a boxlock pistol, so there’s no hammer. It’s beautiful.”
Having picked the gun up, Van Gilder and his friend first went to lunch, and then they headed home. “My friend was driving because my arm is shot,” Van Gilder recalls. On the way home, the pair were pulled over by a local sheriff. According to Van Gilder, the detaining officer told him that he wanted to search the car, and threatened him with dogs if he refused. “I didn’t mind,” he tells me, but he wanted to make sure that the officer knew that there was a flintlock pistol in the glove compartment, and that he had just purchased it. “Oh, man,” Gilder says. “Immediately, he wanted to arrest me. But when he called the undersheriff, he was told, ‘No, it’s a 250-year-old pistol; let him go.’”
The officer did as he was told, and gave the pistol back. The next morning, however, he came back — “with three cars and three or four sheriffs.” Van Gilders says, “He told me, ‘I should have arrested you last night.’” So he did. “They led me away in handcuffs” and, at the station, “chained me by my hands and feet to a cold stainless-steel bench.”
“I’ve never been handcuffed in my life — or arrested, even,” Van Gilder explains. “I was embarrassed and ashamed. The only prisoner there was myself: a 72-year-old English teacher."
I remember reading about that when it happened. Fortunately, the D.A. had a brief moment of sanity and dropped the charges;
Unlawful weapons charges dropped against N.J. man stopped with antique pistol
Unlawful possession of a weapon charges have been dropped against Gordon Van Gilder, 72, of Maurice River Township, the Cumberland County Prosecutor's Office announced Wednesday, Feb. 25, 2015. Van Gilder had been found to be in possession of an antique...Maybe of he had picked his traveling companion better, he wouldn't have been stopped in the first place. Bob
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I'm always looking for a #4 Rolling Block or something like that, quiet a few times I see: Will not ship to California! 😒🥶😱 Find an FFL in another state.
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Lady Rae: 30368672668059/comments/
I'm always looking for a #4 Rolling Block or something like that, quiet a few times I see: Will not ship to California! 😒🥶😱 Find an FFL in another state.
An FFL in another state will not receive or sell to a resident of Ca. Leastwise neither Oregon nor Nevada will not do a transfer. Now, I know some member will name a state that might, but then if this is true you have to drive hundreds of miles to complete the transaction. Maybe two trips if they have a waiting period. The noose is tightening, get 'em while you can.
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Although I have known for a long time that many sellers will not do business with several states but my biggest concern when writing this post was the fact that I was blocked from VIEWING the auction item. Never had that happen before.
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Brookwood: 30368672668059/comments/
Although I have known for a long time that many sellers will not do business with several states but my biggest concern when writing this post was the fact that I was blocked from VIEWING the auction item. Never had that happen before.
If you click on other items for sale, then go to your original choice it will pop up and you can at least look at it.
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