Liberty safe controversy
Curious on the opinions here-
A man charged with participating in the January 6th riots was being served a search warrant by the FBI.
The FBI contacted Liberty safes and requested access to this person’s gun safe. There was no warrant from the FBI to Liberty.
Liberty at their own admission provided a “backdoor” code to the suspects safe to the FBI.
Liberty has now come under fire from many for violating their customers security without requiring due process. Liberty has since backtracked have now provided customers a way to “opt out” from the master database of backdoor entry codes & have stated they will no longer provide law enforcement access to customer safes without a warrant.
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KL: 30060797942299/comments/30060816746395
https://forums.gunbroker.com/discussion/comment/11410640#Comment_11410640
A backdoor code is not specific for a single user. The Liberty backdoor code does indeed allow entry into all of their safes. They may deny this, but they're lying. I've built systems with backdoors in them and every time it was a feature the company wanted. One code to rule them all.
This is an interesting article. If you care to believe what any big company says, there are lots of safe makers that don't allow Big Brother access. Winchester seems to be on the wrong side, though, with the ability to provide a universal access code after proof of ownership is established.
https://www.recoilweb.com/liberty-safe-surrenders-access-code-to-fbi-181488.html
So you're saying their new "opt out" feature is worthless?
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So you can opt-out huh, kinda like recovering deleted emails? BS......
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You can Opt Out.
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Does anyone know if it's a universal code, or an individual one for each safe?
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I was locked out of a Winchester for around six months. Spent countless hours trying to get back into safe and finally got in. Read my previous post. About half inch of documentation. I believe the document shown proves they have a back door even if they would not help me. If anyone is desperate on a Winchester safe, I will try to help. -------------------Ray
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I was laying in bed last night, wondering about that.
See KevinL's post above. It's gonna be for any Electronic Safe by them. (Liberty)
Boy, have they EVER screwed up. Stick a Fork in them.
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Warbirds: 30060797942299/comments/30060817531419
You can Opt Out.
https://us.v-cdn.net/6031683/uploads/LH62W9M24RBD/img-0236.jpeg
I was just looking at this lock:
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A few of us Gun guy's up and down our Holler have been calling and talking to each other about this and Liberty Safe Co. (Boy, have they ever Screwed up.) Everyone is PO'd. Yeah, we are a bunch of Conservative Libertarians. That's why we moved here, it's not an accident why we live, where we live now.
We ALL (And You ALL should also, IMHO) plan on calling/communicating with "Anti- Liberty" to express our displeasure.
Don't let them slide on this. (Whether you own a Liberty Safe, or not.)
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ALL electronic locks have security holes that can be exploited.
@toad67 and others: In Liberty's case, they likely took the keypads and re-coded the 'master' code to one they know about. Some of the electronic locks only let you do this once. Thus, Liberty has the code for your safe and for everyone else's safe. That's just a theory but it's exactly what I would do if I was running a nefarious, subversive company masquerading as a friend of the Second Amendment.
In other cases, companies leave the electronic locks alone but don't clearly document how to change the master code. You gotta look into making that happen or you may be left with a factory default master code that can be obtained quite easily. Factory defaults are a safecracker's first step.
If you do have a safe with an electronic lock, go change the master code right now. And no...do not post the code here so we can help you recover it later if need arises. Sheesh.....
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@Kevin_L, I know (and have done so immediately upon purchase) changed my default code. (1,2,3,4,5,6#) to my personal code. Is that the "Master Code," you are talking about?
If not, how do I do so?
Thank's in advance, Brother.
*(Again) Everyone here should be calling "Anti-Liberty." (Whether you own one or not.) These Co.'s need to know, this Bovine Scatology is UNACCEPTABLE.
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@...: 30060797942299/comments/30060848744731
@Kevin_L, I know (and have done so immediately upon purchase) changed my default code. (1,2,3,4,5,6#) to my personal code. Is that the "Master Code," you are talking about?
If not, how do I do so?
Thank's in advance, Brother.
*(Again) Everyone here should be calling "Anti-Liberty." (Whether you own one or not.) These Co.'s need to know, this Bovine Scatology is UNACCEPTABLE.
The master code is one that equates with a master key on a traditional lock. Not all keypads have a master code. But on the ones that do, an owner should change the master code from it's default and the buyer's code from its default.
I'd advise anyone with a keypad on their safe to do some research and find out of their keypad supports a master code. If so, change it. There are lots of good videos on how to change codes on a variety of keypads.
I do miss the days of analog. These digital improvements don't really improve anything.
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My "Owner's Manual," (Cannon) does not discuss a "Master Code," only the "Default Code," (1,2,3,4,5,6#) which was changed immediately upon purchase.
*Guess I am have going to have to make some phone calls.
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So, now I'm wondering how I change the combination on mine (a dial only safe) because I have zero trust they will do the right thing going forward.
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And before anyone gets too much further bent out of shape (if you'll pardon the foreshadowing) it might just be better for the safe company to hand over the code because the alternative is that the feds will just torch open your safe after shooting the family pets. And if their torch causes the house to burn down, so be it. We know this is what they will do because this is what they have done historically.
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Mr. Perfect: 30060797942299/comments/30060819074075
And before anyone gets too much further bent out of shape (if you'll pardon the foreshadowing) it might just be better for the safe company to hand over the code because the alternative is that the feds will just torch open your safe after shooting the family pets. And if their torch causes the house to burn down, so be it. We know this is what they will do because this is what they have done historically.
Agree 100%, Randy.
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Well, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^"The Fed's,"^^^^^^^^^^^^ and their kind, can kiss my/our collective Butt. (Said in the most Respectfull manner.)
I am not going to do ANYTHING, that makes their "Job," easier. (Nor should ANY of us.) It's Possible, Some of us, own some thing's, they are not aware of. (?) Or, then again, maybe Not. 🤔
Like has been stated before here in this thread, it's possible they will encounter "something," they were Not expecting. What (if anything) does "Front Toward Enemy," mean to you? Pop it open. Go right ahead.
So Bad. So Sad.
Me, and my Dog (Not a Chihuahua) will not Lay down, when the time comes.
Molon Labe'
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Or then again, maybe NOT.
You really just do not ever KNOW, do you? 🤔
List? What List? (Pretty sure I am already on it.)
Most of us here, should be striving to be on that "List." Because, you just never KNOW, do you? Nor should They. 🤔😉
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EVERYBODY, here and elsewhere, should be sowing dissension, (and Yes) Doubt in the Fed's minds about WHAT, they will discover in house to house "Searches."
Molon' Labe.
Put me on the "List." Pretty sure I am already there.
Buddy sez "Hey," and "Come On In." (By the way.)
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All this safe discussion has me thinking. And that's rarely good.
If we want to be protective of our valuables, why put them in a container that screams "treasure inside"?
Why doesn't anyone make a safe that looks like a wonky old refrigerator? You get yourself a
LibertyLiberal Safe, you put some Little Debbie cakes in it and store the firearms in the fridge.I know one or two of you are gonna do this.
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Molon Labe' the Lil' Debbie cakes. 🤔😉😂🤣
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I don't own a gun safe and have no plans to do so. My guns are tools like rakes and shovels I don't lock those up either.
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KL: 30060797942299/comments/30060834619163
All this safe discussion has me thinking. And that's rarely good.
If we want to be protective of our valuables, why put them in a container that screams "treasure inside"?
Why doesn't anyone make a safe that looks like a wonky old refrigerator? You get yourself a
LibertyLiberal Safe, you put some Little Debbie cakes in it and store the firearms in the fridge.I know one or two of you are gonna do this.
It's largely two fold 1) it's difficult to make something like a fridge impenetrable/difficult-to-access and 2) not everyone wants to look at an ugly fridge in their home.
Other concealment ideas are simply more difficult, but they are done all the time.
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In their home? Inside??? The fridge goes outside next to the abandoned washing machine, the tire pile, and the rusted out Camaro.
Great. Now I have to look for a new hiding spot.
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My safe has an old S&G dial combination lock. I don't know if the safe company still has or ever had the combination.
This thing is really finnicky, and occasionally a pain in the rear to open. I feel a lot better about that lately.
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dunbarboyz: 30060797942299/comments/30060822806939
I don't own a gun safe and have no plans to do so. My guns are tools like rakes and shovels I don't lock those up either.
On the other hand, rakes and shovels don't cost north of a grand and can be bought without government approval.
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bullshot: 30060797942299/comments/30060823218843
https://forums.gunbroker.com/discussion/comment/11410762#Comment_11410762
On the other hand, rakes and shovels don't cost north of a grand and can be bought without government approval.
You keep making ‘sense’ and you might just get somewhere in this world ,,,,,,,, 🤣
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forgemonkey: 30060797942299/comments/30060823352091
https://forums.gunbroker.com/discussion/comment/11410870#Comment_11410870
You keep making ‘sense’ and you might just get somewhere in this world ,,,,,,,, 🤣
Nah, already been somewhere, wasn't all they said it was. ................ 😎
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Does anyone know how the FBI knew the fella had a Liberty safe? I don't recall reading that part anywhere.
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KL: 30060797942299/comments/30060811546907
Does anyone know how the FBI knew the fella had a Liberty safe? I don't recall reading that part anywhere.
I think they found it in the house when they served the search warrant. Since most safe companies proudly proclaim their provenance with large ornate lettering on the door it was probably easy to figure out who to call. With a search warrant, they were going to get into the safe one way or another regardless of what Liberty did. I don't like Liberty rolling over so fast but searching the contents of the safe was going to happen anyway. How much damage to the safe, safe contents or the home by either forcing it open there or moving the entire safe out of the house seems to be overlooked by most. Bob
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That timeline makes sense. Into the house with a warrant, thwarted momentarily by a safe, phone call to safe maker, and we know the rest.
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