$20.00 to flip burgers. Who needs collage?
I need to drive by McDs to check out their menu. Since I can't afford to eat there at that kind of employee pay. A month or few ago I walked passed their ad for two Big Macs (questionable if they are still "BIG"), two small fries (maybe it was medium) and two small sodas for $18. something?
Be funny if they now have a dress code or maybe made more of a target for armed robbery Samuel L. Jackson style or the Dennis Leary sewer tunnel people.
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Where do you reside where burger flippers get paid at $20 the hour? Also I'm 95% certain their wages have nothing to do with the cost of food, if the near-universal increase in prices for everything is any indicator.
I think fast food employees should be paid a decent chunk per hour, anyway. I've seen them work, and have known people who worked those jobs. They work harder per hour than my cushy, better-paying college-degree job butt ever has.
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I've read about a lot of fast food workers being laid off due to the new 20 dollar an hour wage set in California. The work gets a lot harder when people have to do the work that others were once there to do!
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In the old days, restaurants typically budgeted 30% of their sales for hourly wages. So yeah, $20 an hour can have a major impact. Another major hit is energy costs. When you have things like deep fryers, grills, broilers, ice makers and exhaust fans running continuously, they consume a ton of energy. They also generate a lot of heat so HVAC systems run overtime. That adds up, especially in states like California with their high energy costs. Throw in California's high tax rate and the cost of land and I don't know why anyone would open a restaurant there. Bob
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NotDracon - You must be new here. With 6 posts you are now one of us, one of us, one of us. Anyways I'm a long time California subject and I forget to mention I'm in California when I start complaining or making observations of California.
Our great governor newsom went even loonier by making burger flippers get paid $20.00 minimum. What does he care it's not like it's his money.
As for burger flippers "working" it depends on which joint. Take In-N-Out open to close there is a line and I have no doubt they work. Then take the BK, McDs, Wendy's they definitely have slow times where they can put in their secret in their "secret" sauce.
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I don't think $20/hr is that far off. Even MidWest hiring placards are showing nearly that amount. He!! of a deal for someone with moderate skills and within walking/bike riding distance.
FWIW, I pass on Mickey D's unless no other options. Can't remember the last time I went there. Greasy fries, cardboard burger, and watered down soda—where's the interest in that?
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I disagreed with you notdracon, wages have everything to do with the price of production. the owners have to make up the additional money somewhere, either in smaller portions, higher prices, or less employees, or all of above at same time…….
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NotDracon posted "Also I'm 95% certain their wages have nothing to do with the cost of food, if the near-universal increase in prices for everything is any indicator."
Economics major?
Mobuck posted "FWIW, I pass on Mickey D's unless no other options. Can't remember the last time I went there. Greasy fries, cardboard burger, and watered down soda—where's the interest in that?"
Aren't they all like that? I can't remember the last time me or my wife were at any fast food joint.
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Who's job was it to filter out the liberals?
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Economies of scale - and always follow the money. Part of this is simple supply-and-demand - of labor. At pre-lib escalated, OG minimum wage rates most of these employers were already caught in a hire/fire doom loop. Some of them would have got to the iconic "$20's per" on their own. When this started it was the "Fight-for-$15". But talk to many of them and they would rather have fewer but better and more reliable workers at higher wages.
Part of it is also people, for whatever reasons, having to now work these "gateway-jobs" never intend to be full-time occupations that would be primary income, as such. Whose fault is that? Very well may be their own - but the fact still remains.
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If burger flippers can get $20. per hour,good for them but the last few times I tried to go to a fast food place I could not get anyone to take my order,so I left.I refuse to stand in line for 30 minutes to do business with someone that acts like they are doing me a favor to let me in their establishment.
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This Idea of a $20 minimum wage so people can make a living and raise a family on a minimum wage is stupid. They are entry level jobs that teach teenagers the value of working, with the idea learning to improve your self in order to get a head.
In 1965 at 15 years old my first job was a burger flipper, I was payed $1.25 an hour. My thoughts was NOT I can now quit school get married, and raise a family. It was I can pay to put gas in my car and go out on a date with my girl on the weekends.
If the intent is to make it where minimum wage is all you need to make a living, it kills incentive to get ahead in life. I’m sure most communist would embrace this type of logic as it would give them more control over controlling people and business to their liking.A business has a right to make a profit, and they should.. No one ever started a business with the idea of: how many people can I employ, they started it with the idea to make a viable profit.
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when they raised the fast food workers wages a couple years back in Oregon the workers demanded to be scheduled fewer hours per week.
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when they raised the fast food workers wages a couple years back in Oregon the workers demanded to be scheduled fewer hours per week.
I bet it was so they would still be eligible for "free" government handouts! Bob
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Like most on here I started my first real job at 1.25 a hour soon jumped to 1.35 due to mim wage
Asa kid living at home it gave me spending money I saved up boughtmy fistcar started buying my own clothes that fit and liked lol
But I knew no way would that job be a rase a family have a Good life job it was what it was a young persons first job or even a old person to make a few dolarsor have a time social life
It's already showing with all the layoffs and automation moving in
People just want it all and want it now same witha lot of criminals fast easy money is the way hard work taking time to get what you want. Are long gone
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I am with ditch and Walter. Flipping burgers etc was a gig to enter the world of work . It was never intended to be a career unless you worked for a national chain and were smart enough to hit the management track.
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I bet it was so they would still be eligible for "free" government handouts! Bob
I would agree and say that is spot on.
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I'll cook my burgers in the backyard, pay myself $20 per hour for labor which should cover the cost of meat & supplies so I guess I'll be eating free burgers………😊
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Raising the wage to $20 will make CA DEMOCRATs in charge of government feel good, That about it.
Frankly, I am surprised these dumb DEMOCRATs never learn. Every time they raise minimum wages, it has a negative effect on everyone and it hurts the very people it was intended to help[ the worse.
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When i was still working, I remember when I could get Mickey D's best meal for $3.99. Oh well, I will just fire up the grill out on the deck and cook my burger. Willie Jr. does not like the smell and smoke inside. ———————Ray
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The real minimum wage is $0 and it should be.
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When i was still working, I remember when I could get Mickey D's best meal for $3.99. Oh well, I will just fire up the grill out on the deck and cook my burger. Willie Jr. does not like the smell and smoke inside. ———————Ray
Willie Jr. doesn't know what he's missing. What's a burger without smoke???
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I was in a place a while back that had no 'order takers' just a kiosk thing-a-ma-jig on the wall. I played the dumb geezer card and a sweet little gal helped me order my meal.
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I kinda think for college graduates $20 per hour for 40 hrs, high school grads $10 for 40 hrs, non graduates, part-timers and students, $5 per hour. Let's give an incentive to advance in society or risk being poor your whole life. The military does this now, either move up in rank or move out, no more 45 yr. old Staff Sgts. anymore with big belly's.
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Who gets hit the hardest by a 20.00 per hour paid burger flipper.
The same burger flipper that takes his family out to eat supper.
You can bet your bippie the MC D's, BK, and such ain"t going to eat the extra wage cost hike.
You folks ever sit down and figure how many meals a restaurant has to sell to just pay it's expense?
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who needs college?
People that want to buy that $20 kids meal.
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I can live without fast food. Can fast food live without customers?
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Had a thought. Since we now are shown there is two tier justice system. Having two tier minimum wage is fair? I know California don't care but I just wondered.
I wonder how many people quit their retail jobs to get in on the $20 burger flipping gig?
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(The following post is still in the context of McDonald's, specifically)
Mmm, around eight posts and I've already got two with the "Disagrees" pouring in. Doesn't bode well for prospects of meshing in here.
But anyway, I'm reminded of a snippet from the first Bioshock, where a character comments on the newly opened city intended for followers of Ayn Rand-style capitalism: "These sad saps. They come to Rapture thinking they're gonna be captains of industry, but they all forget that somebody's gotta scrub the toilets."
There's always going to be (and I'm saying this as they are perceived by the public) "lesser" jobs that still need to be done, and all labor is respectful. Entry level jobs are still jobs that need to be done by SOMEONE so they should at least pay to the degree a person can depend on it to fulfill basic needs, with the occasional luxury here and there.
So they're paying Californian burger flippers more. And the company is responding by raising prices there, to the degree they're banking on public outcry to change the law in their favor. It's not like McDonald's CAN'T afford to pay their workers more, they just don't want to. Gotta look out for the CEO and shareholders, after all. At least in the US.
You know they pay workers around $22 per hour in Denmark? At the same McDonald's stores? And a combo meal only costs $11 there while the same meal costs $10 in New York? So what're they doing in Europe that we can't do here?
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There are very few purely ethical pricing decisions made by companies, retailers, and manufacturers in the wake of a spate of inflation. That is, when it starts rolling down hill they ride it all the way down. As things start to ease up certain commodities have to get cheaper - but even those items get some "stick" on price. It's easy to look at minimum wage and make it exclusively a political issue - but it's also a core economic issue. When available labor becomes a constraint to the growth of a business - they pay more, and they don't wait around to do that based on local, state, or federal minimum wage thresholds.
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