not into wildcat rounds...........
but was sorting some brass I got in a box deal with a lot of reloading stuff. in a gallon baggie of 270 brass was some 22-250 brass and one live round, it was 308 brass necked down to I would say 22 caliber? anyone have any idea what it might be, it seemed to be full length 308 case just necked down with a long 22 caliber bullet???? I am guessing it is 22 caliber as I didn't mick it just compared it by eyeball to the 22-250 cases........
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22 Souper or 22 Cheetah?
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22 Cheetah?
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.22-243 Middlestead?
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thanks bob and neo, I think you two hit the nail on the head, the brass is stamped 308, and after a short google search sounds like the cheeta round. strange there was only one round in the bag and no other 308's in the baggie. may have just been something that got thrown in the bag from this old fellows reloading bench. I bought two big boxes from a guy who said it was his father in laws and he didn't reload and wanted to get rid of it........
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Billie - I'm w/you on wildcat stuff. I endeavored relentlessly to the point of obsession to get .375 Raptor to cycle reliably in both an AR and bolt platform. At the end of all of it I had to bail. If you aren't a reloader it is a longshot that you can get 2nd party ammo batches to match your gun's headspace round in/round out. I eventually sold it all off - guns, barrels and ammo.
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I have always just stuck to the standard stuff and even waited a few years on any new varations before considering getting a gun to use it
Not that I will ever face such a problem in my life
but as a kid I remember dreaming about such hunts but also reading a article
Said if your going on a hunt especially in the boonies stick to popular and well established rounds its easy to find s box of 30-06 any where in the world (at that time)
Not taking your super duper hibird wis bang gun and ammo combo and having to find replacement ammo if yous gets lost or used up at that point all you have is a expensive club
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I’ve seen the 308 case used for 7mm, 6.5mm, 6mm and believe I did read or hear about it being necked down to 22 caliber once. But I have often wondered why no one has ever tried necking it down to 25 caliber. Maybe they have and I just never heard about it.
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Ditch-Runner: 29932927889819/comments/29932912922523
I have always just stuck to the standard stuff and even waited a few years on any new varations before considering getting a gun to use it
Not that I will ever face such a problem in my life
but as a kid I remember dreaming about such hunts but also reading a article
Said if your going on a hunt especially in the boonies stick to popular and well established rounds its easy to find s box of 30-06 any where in the world (at that time)
Not taking your super duper hibird wis bang gun and ammo combo and having to find replacement ammo if yous gets lost or used up at that point all you have is a expensive club
ditch I got into this one year with my 8mm mauser! got to the cabin and only had 3 rounds in the box I grabbed. the two local shops didn't have any 8mm ammo so I had to drive back to town over hour away the night before season started.........
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ditch I got into this one year with my 8mm mauser! got to the cabin and only had 3 rounds in the box I grabbed. the two local shops didn't have any 8mm ammo so I had to drive back to town over hour away the night before season started.........
Three is all you really need. One to clear the barrel, one to get the range, and one to kill the deer!
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The 25-08 or 25 souper has been around since the 50's. Workable as a varmit to medium size game animal cartridge. Similar to .257 bob
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I have found that in a few of my .308 guns the Sellier&Bellot 110 grain varmint loads shoot almost as far and as flat as a .243 Win w/60ish grains.
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Only one I participate in is 25/45 Sharps and it’s Sammi spec
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Only one I participate in is 25/45 Sharps and it’s Sammi spec
I don't know anything about the 25/45 Sharps Rosie - but I will hit "Like" for that tag-line all day long!!
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try a few rounds of this wildcat
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try a few rounds of this wildcat
https://us.v-cdn.net/6031683/uploads/YFY5C18AJMRL/image.jpeg
Seems the inter-web is varied on a content rating for that stuff - saw a 4.9 and a 6.1 - and in either case that's a cat w/a few more stripes than average.
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Waltermoe, I have a .25-308. Did at least one article on it. It's a delightful round. It matches almost exactly the case capacity and performance of the 250 Ackley - which old P.O. himself said was maybe his best creation. If the .308 had been around when he developed his 250, I'm sure it's what he would have used.
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RockRaab, that’s interesting. I always thought that it might have been the lack of bullet selection in the 25 caliber selection of bullets compared to the even greater selection with other calibers that might have held it back on its development. If you don’t mind me asking, did you have it custom made with a particular bullet weight in mind?
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RockRaab, that’s interesting. I always thought that it might have been the lack of bullet selection in the 25 caliber selection of bullets compared to the even greater selection with other calibers that might have held it back on its development. If you don’t mind me asking, did you have it custom made with a particular bullet weight in mind?
This is where I can use some edification Walter. In general, seems the answer in many of these wildcat scenarios is, "because he could" - but I'm sure there is usually more context. When I just look at actual diameter - the established. 243 Win is 6.2mm and a true .250 bullet is 6.35mm, modest delta but not insignificant. With both having the same .308 parent case - seems that bullet weights and composition availability might have been what was driving the .25-08 effort - unless it was full-on DIY and the inventor was also casting their own.
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I did not have a specific bullet in mind. What I actually wanted was a nice bolt 250 Savage, but couldn't find one for years. Had a spare Rem 788 in .308 in the safe, and did some research. Then thought, "What the heck..."
The 788 isn't the strongest action out there, so I never pushed my loads to the .25-308's full potential. Ended up with something with just a bit more oomph than a 250 and am delighted with it.
It will take a coyote apart with 85 Ballistic Tips, and is perfect on deer with 100s. Is it materially different than a .243? Not really. But anybody can have a 243. There's a certain mystique about quarter-bores.
You can now get a 6mm, a factory 6.5, and a 7 on the .308 case. The differences are incremental - and small. The .25 fits in there and fills only one niche: that of owning something something you can't buy.
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Rocky Raab: 29932927889819/comments/29932924452891
I did not have a specific bullet in mind. What I actually wanted was a nice bolt 250 Savage, but couldn't find one for years. Had a spare Rem 788 in .308 in the safe, and did some research. Then thought, "What the heck..."
The 788 isn't the strongest action out there, so I never pushed my loads to the .25-308's full potential. Ended up with something with just a bit more oomph than a 250 and am delighted with it.
It will take a coyote apart with 85 Ballistic Tips, and is perfect on deer with 100s. Is it materially different than a .243? Not really. But anybody can have a 243. There's a certain mystique about quarter-bores.
You can now get a 6mm, a factory 6.5, and a 7 on the .308 case. The differences are incremental - and small. The .25 fits in there and fills only one niche: that of owning something something you can't buy.
Awsome explanation Rock. My main shooting buddy is a committed coyote hunter. He does alot w/just .223. I would add 5.56 but btw the two of us and alot of experiments w/the higher bullet weight, premium 5.56 ammo - i.e. Hornady Super-Performance, none of our guns like it. He also loves his 6.8 for coyote.
I am a committed. 308 guy and as mentioned prior, 110's out of most of my guns is very comparable performance to the .243 - I would embrace the analogous "light tackle" fishing philosophy to hunting/shooting, but not at the risk of wounded prey and all day trying to find it.
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BTW, I used 7-08 brass to make my 25 Souper rounds, NEVER with .243. My reasoning was that if a round got lost, somebody might see the 7-08 headstamp and shoot it. That wouldn't cause any headaches - the bullet would rattle down the bore.
BUT, if I lost a .25-308 with a 243 headstamp... well...It MIGHT go in, but it sure would be sporty going out.
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One of the OG publications, (Outdoor Life, G&A, etc.), used to stage common, practical round mixups and show the results. I.E. - I am sure I could get a .45acp or .45LC round to sit in front of the bolt in my Ruger American. 450 BM, but I wouldn't have the guts to close the bolt to see if it seated. And if it did - God only knows if you lit it up...
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